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Forum 2005-2010 (read only) => General => Bar Sport => Topic started by: pracas on Sep 25, 2010, 04:55 am

Title: Did you see this? Dinner is ready....
Post by: pracas on Sep 25, 2010, 04:55 am
i know a lot of us dont visit the homepage.... so here it is

http://arduino.cc/blog/2010/09/24/dinner-is-ready/
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Post by: Osgeld on Sep 25, 2010, 05:45 am
first impression ... eh ok, nothing at first really jumps out and smacks me

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Post by: liuzengqiang on Sep 25, 2010, 06:58 am
I'd like to see the arduino IDE 1.0 more than the board 1.0
It seems that the board will be less costly, possibly making it more popular. I guess the atmega 328 will be available more than now.
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Post by: Korman on Sep 25, 2010, 09:55 am
Hurrah! They get rid of the FTDI chip and add a chip that can appear as a HID. That alone is worth upgrading.

Korman
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Post by: pracas on Sep 25, 2010, 10:05 am
well FTDI seemed safer with shortage of Atmegas...
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Post by: mowcius on Sep 25, 2010, 10:05 am
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I guess the atmega 328 will be available more than now.

Hmm, nope. The ATmega 328 is probably going to be short for a number of months yet.

I also would rather hear about the IDE than the new boards.

The no-driver situation is nice. That will be useful and will allow people to run the arduino IDE and upload to a board from a computer which has no drivers for it (a company computer for example).

Arduino ethernet board has taken much too long coming. It has been over 45 months since massimo posted some pictures of one (that looked perfect).

Mowcius
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Post by: westfw on Sep 25, 2010, 10:12 am
I have mixed feelings about the replacement of the FTDI USB controller.  On the one hand: increased capabilities and reprogramability!  Perhaps a lower price (It's annoying that the FTDI costs as much or more as the main CPU.)  On the other hand, the FTDI drivers have been relatively problem free and well supported by FTDI, and the chip has become rather commonly available.  The new chip seems unavailable to mortals (not stocked at digikey or mouser, order in units of several thousand) and is from a company that has a reputation of delivering new chips late (is this chip new?), and a poor track record of keeping existing chips available.

On the bright side, I don't see any indications that the new chip will be used to provide backward-incompatible capabilities, so it seems like duemilanove boards won't immediately be obsolete either...
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Post by: mowcius on Sep 25, 2010, 10:30 am
Yeah I do think that we need a chip that other people can get their hands on or else we will find that most new clones have to be created with no USB on board.

Somehow I think that FTDI will not die until there is an easily purchased replacement for all the little people in the arduino world to use.

Mowcius
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Post by: zooto68 on Sep 25, 2010, 11:20 am
I think relying on Atmel, who have an atrocious record for being able to supply their own products, for the USB chip could well be a bad idea. I was personally hoping they would migrate over to some kind of ARM based chip.

I think opening their own webstore is also a kick in the teeth for all of the distributors who have paid for the Arduino Project from day one by selling the products.
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Post by: 48X24X48X on Sep 25, 2010, 12:08 pm
I thought it would be a single chip solution by kicking out ATmega328 and FT232 all together and replace them with a single USB ATmega.
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Post by: zooto68 on Sep 25, 2010, 01:25 pm
Yeah that was one of y other thoughts. There are Atmel chips with USB built in. Why on earth did they not use one of those instead of having a separate chip for the USB?
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Post by: pluggy on Sep 25, 2010, 02:05 pm
Pity they didn't put a second row of pins inside pins 8 -AREF at standard 01." spacing so it would be a doddle to make homebrew stripboard shields.  Keep the 'brain fart' spacings for all the shields out there and add a new row (or at least holes) at the correct spacing.

I'm intrigued at what the extra 6 pin header is for.....
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Post by: pracas on Sep 25, 2010, 02:23 pm
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I'm intrigued at what the extra 6 pin header is for.....
Where do you see them?
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Post by: kg4wsv on Sep 25, 2010, 02:30 pm
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I'm intrigued at what the extra 6 pin header is for.....


Probably ICSP for the USB chip.

-j
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Post by: kg4wsv on Sep 25, 2010, 02:39 pm
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I have mixed feelings about the replacement of the FTDI USB controller.


Likewise.  The FTDI just works, and driver support is good.

I know there's a standard USB serial interface, but I have never seen a commercial device that actually used it.  Why?

-j
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Post by: Senso on Sep 25, 2010, 02:55 pm
The atmega32U* and other with U in the name have built-in usb functionality, only need the software side, and that is pretty much covered by the LUFA lib, the problem is the shortage of atmel micros around the world, only if they had a better supply chain they could be an a lot better company.
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Post by: liuzengqiang on Sep 25, 2010, 05:21 pm
I would keep using 28-pin DIP 328's just because a hobbyist can easily mess up one and still replace it with a good one or take it and put it in a standalone project. If it's a surface mount, it will be a different story.
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Post by: pluggy on Sep 25, 2010, 06:46 pm
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Where do you see them?


(http://www.pluggy.me.uk/photo/arduinouno.png)

I'll leave it to you to work out where I got that from ;)
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Post by: zooto68 on Sep 25, 2010, 06:50 pm
(http://blog.makezine.com/upload/2010/09/new_family_of_arduino_boards_availa/uno.jpg)

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/09/new_family_of_arduino_boards_availa.html

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Post by: pluggy on Sep 25, 2010, 06:53 pm
Well, not pins exactly........

Is it just me or does the reset button look a bit tacky ?
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Post by: mowcius on Sep 25, 2010, 09:04 pm
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Is it just me or does the reset button look a bit tacky ?

Agreed.
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Sep 25, 2010, 09:57 pm
Yeah I'm not big on the reset button.

It said it's streaming live.  Anyone got a link?
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Post by: zooto68 on Sep 25, 2010, 10:06 pm
Where does it say that?
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Post by: Jeremy1998 on Sep 25, 2010, 10:13 pm
4X on the reset button... I will definately NOT be getting one of those any time soon... But I do want to get a Mega... I tought bout getting one a few days ago... Thank god I waited... Unless they put that button on the Mega too... Then I'm getting the old one...
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Post by: westfw on Sep 25, 2010, 11:15 pm
Bah; the reset button is hardly used anymore anyway.
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Post by: bld on Sep 25, 2010, 11:20 pm
Get a seeeduino... love the way they placed the reset button, so it can be accessed with shields stacked on top of it...

(http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/images/product/seeeduinov22.jpg)
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Post by: mowcius on Sep 25, 2010, 11:26 pm
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Bah; the reset button is hardly used anymore anyway.

Well I reset my board quite a lot but I normally just use the serial monitor to do that.

Mowcius
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Post by: Osgeld on Sep 26, 2010, 12:11 am
the look of the reset button is a very minor thing, but I will agree using a usb enabled chip with arduino software support would have been the win

right now "if your experienced you can fiddle with this other chip"... well we can already do that san's an arduino board

anyway good for their marketing, otherwise nothing to get me dancing
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Post by: pracas on Sep 26, 2010, 05:32 am
Or perhaps even this for the USB
http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en546923

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Post by: mowcius on Sep 26, 2010, 10:30 am
Boards now available apparently:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9950
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9949
(http://static.sparkfun.com/images/products/09950-01.jpg)
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Post by: Osgeld on Sep 26, 2010, 10:34 am
heh strike 2
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Post by: UltraMagnus on Sep 26, 2010, 11:02 am
kind of, disappointing really.

I do hope this isn't just a veiled attempt to impede generic arduino manufacturers.  All the time they insist on manufacturing their branded ones in Italy, where labour is vastly overpriced, they will be five times more expensive than generics.
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Post by: Senso on Sep 26, 2010, 03:32 pm
I dont get all this panic, its just and usb enabled atmega chip instead of an ftdi, all the other boards can still be used and fabricated, because the main chip is still an atmega328p, so it is still the same thing.
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Post by: Jeremy1998 on Sep 26, 2010, 11:20 pm
I guess the reset button isn't that bad... It looked red to me at first... Appearently it's brown.
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Post by: jezuz on Sep 27, 2010, 01:55 am
To put in my 2 cents:

I listened to Banzi's presentation today at the Faire, and the new USB setup is actually pretty cool ('cause aside from that and the smd reset button, the UNO is absolutely the same as the 2009), considering how much it lets you do with its "emulation" features. I'm planning a PC peripheral project, and I remember a bit back I asked around about standardizing the interface and I was referred to some sort of backend way of doing it (another chip to interface with, perhaps?) - but this makes things a whole lot easier (or so it seems).