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Title: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 27, 2014, 04:18 pm
Dear All, I've a little bastard question about arduino. On http://arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ there is this Q&A:
"What do you mean by open-source hardware?
Open-source hardware shares much of the principles and approach of free and open-source software. In particular, we believe that people should be able to study our hardware to understand how it works, make changes to it, and share those changes. To facilitate this, we release all of the original design files (Eagle CAD) for the Arduino hardware. These files are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license, which allows for both personal and commercial derivative works, as long as they credit Arduino and release their designs under the same license.

The Arduino software is also open-source. The source code for the Java environment is released under the GPL and the C/C++ microcontroller libraries are under the LGPL. "
The question is: On the Arduino site I didn't find pages of microcontroller schematics  8), this is in conflict with the official open source definition above mentioned. Maybe it exists and I didn't find  :smiley-sweat: =( :smiley-eek:? Kind Regards, Alessio. :)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: robtillaart on Jun 27, 2014, 04:50 pm
- http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardUno -

check section :  Schematic & Reference Design
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 27, 2014, 05:03 pm
Ok. As you can see there's the name of a commercial processor. This means the hardware is not open source in the terms of the faq. To be compliant also the processor has to be open source.  8)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Robin2 on Jun 27, 2014, 05:54 pm

To be compliant also the processor has to be open source.  8)


When you have designed one and have it in production at £2 per piece let us know.

...R
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Docedison on Jun 27, 2014, 08:33 pm
The design I$ open source and calls for a "specific" controller because That part meets the design specification
If this is an issue for your design purposes...
Pick one that does... It would also be good to verify that the control software is compatible with your choice of hardware and controller.
Much as the 'original' designer did..'


Doc
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jun 27, 2014, 08:37 pm

To be compliant also the processor has to be open source. 

Bollocks - you obviously know nothing about hardware.

The open source is the design not the components.

Any way what are you going to do if you think someone is not fulfilling the open source hardware conditions, sue them?

Thanks for the waste of time.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 27, 2014, 08:57 pm


To be compliant also the processor has to be open source.  8)


When you have designed one and have it in production at £2 per piece let us know.

...R


+1

Then there's the question of cleaving your own crystal
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 27, 2014, 08:59 pm
So...

The design I$ open source and calls for a "specific" controller because That part meets the design specification
If this is an issue for your design purposes...
Pick one that does... It would also be good to verify that the control software is compatible with your choice of hardware and controller.
Much as the 'original' designer did..'


Doc

Arduino IS NOT Open Source because its behaviour depends on  a commercial product   ]:). It look a trojan h. for selling a particular techonolgy. HA!.

P.s.
When you was babies I was building analogic neural networks ... ]:D
Bye Bye.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 27, 2014, 09:01 pm
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When you was babies I was building analogic neural networks

When I was a baby, manned space flight was still in the future.  ;)

Back then did you grow your own germanium crystals, or blow your own vacuum valves (tubes)?
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 27, 2014, 09:04 pm

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When you was babies I was building analogic neural networks

When I was a baby, manned space flight was still in the future.  ;)

Who are you the Doctor Who?  :D
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 27, 2014, 09:07 pm
No, I was in school before that started on TV
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 27, 2014, 09:10 pm
Germany Nazist invented the TV . Are you 'one century' techie?  ;)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 27, 2014, 09:12 pm
Ok. I am designing a new completly open source project. Also the CPU will be open source based on LEON-4.  ;)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 27, 2014, 09:15 pm

Germany Nazist invented the TV . Are you 'one century' techie?  ;)
And Godwin's Law is proved.
Well done.

I forgot to ask - was the analogue neural net pneumatic, hydraulic or string and pulleys?
Bye bye.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Coding Badly on Jun 27, 2014, 09:21 pm

Karma to you good sir, @AlessioG, for posting your obtuse rantings in the correct forum section.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 27, 2014, 09:28 pm


Karma to you good sir, @AlessioG, for posting your obtuse rantings in the correct forum section.


Err, no, I moved it here.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jun 27, 2014, 09:31 pm

Ok. I am designing a new completly open source project. Also the CPU will be open source based on LEON-4.  ;)

Wow can't wait to see that. Mind you for some one who couldn't even find the Arduino schematics on the web site I guess it will be a long wait before we see anything.

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When you was babies I was building analogic neural networks .

That is When you were babies I was building analogue neural networks .
Obviously when you were a baby you never learn correct grammar.

Anyway that is that is untrue, I was 12 when Dr. Who started on TV, I suspect it is you that is the baby given your level of understanding that you are showing.  
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Coding Badly on Jun 27, 2014, 10:23 pm


Karma to you good sir, @AlessioG, for posting your obtuse rantings in the correct forum section.

Err, no, I moved it here.


Ugh.  Sometimes seeing the glass as half full just does not work out so well.

In that case...
Karma to you good sir, @AWOL, for being so tolerant of the oik.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jun 27, 2014, 11:14 pm
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for being so tolerant of the oik.

The oik is now sending me emails ( not PMs on this site but direct emails ) bragging about how clever he is.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 27, 2014, 11:21 pm
The oik is banned and on a watch list.
I really, really can't be bothered with this bellicose troll shit.

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Karma to you good sir, @AWOL, for being so tolerant of the oik.

The karma really ought to be revoked.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Henry_Best on Jun 28, 2014, 07:09 am

I forgot to ask - was the analogue neural net pneumatic, hydraulic or string and pulleys?

Probably mechanical, as per Charles Babbage.  :)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Docedison on Jun 28, 2014, 12:29 pm
When I was young... the only "Solid State devices were lead sulphide or Galena "Cat whisker" detectors for AM broadcast band "Crystal Radio's", Some selenium and copper oxide rectifiers were just coming in vogue as replacements for Tungar or mercury vapor rectifiers..
This was in 1956 I was 10 years old then... How old were You?

Doc
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 28, 2014, 08:31 pm

The oik is banned and on a watch list.
I really, really can't be bothered with this bellicose troll shit.

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Karma to you good sir, @AWOL, for being so tolerant of the oik.

The karma really ought to be revoked.


Hello. Here I am . I am not an 'oik' and I am not a 'bellicose troll shit'. I am a good engineer and, without fight ,I like to study and share knoledge. I am a nice and simple person.

I am sorry you are so angry.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 28, 2014, 08:38 pm


Ok. I am designing a new completly open source project. Also the CPU will be open source based on LEON-4.  ;)

Wow can't wait to see that. Mind you for some one who couldn't even find the Arduino schematics on the web site I guess it will be a long wait before we see anything.

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When you was babies I was building analogic neural networks .

That is When you were babies I was building analogue neural networks .
Obviously when you were a baby you never learn correct grammar.

Anyway that is that is untrue, I was 12 when Dr. Who started on TV, I suspect it is you that is the baby given your level of understanding that you are showing.  


Don't judge a book by its cover  ]:D.

Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jun 28, 2014, 11:00 pm

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for being so tolerant of the oik.

The oik is now sending me emails ( not PMs on this site but direct emails ) bragging about how clever he is.

Yeah, I got that one too.
Saying something about doing websites for the Vatican.
I'm not sure I'd advertise the fact that I'd worked for an organization that harbours paedophiles.  ]:D.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Henry_Best on Jun 29, 2014, 07:01 am

Yeah, I got that one too.
Saying something about doing websites for the Vatican.
I'm not sure I'd advertise the fact that I'd worked for an organization that harbours paedophiles.  ]:D.
And an organization that 'buries' dead babies in septic tanks.  :smiley-yell:
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 29, 2014, 12:48 pm
Ok to improve my CV the next website I will done for the Satan Church  ]:) :P
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jun 30, 2014, 12:09 pm
Dear Grandparents,
WIll you be happy if I'll develop a new board arduino-compatible with a T2 on it?
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/opensparc/opensparc-faq-1444660.html
]:D.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Henry_Best on Jul 01, 2014, 06:04 am

Ok to improve my CV the next website I will done for the Satan Church  ]:) :P
But you've told us that you've already done work for the Vatican!
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: SirNickity on Jul 01, 2014, 10:40 pm
Maybe the church is looking into diversification?

I realize this forum category is essentially the lint trap of Arduino's community, but I am amazed at how lenient the owners and mods are here WRT permitting threads to exist which have absolutely no practical worth at all.  (Just an idle observation.)

Not open source due to commercial ICs..   Indeed.  It's never free enough, is it?   :smiley-roll:
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: retrolefty on Jul 01, 2014, 11:00 pm

When I was young... the only "Solid State devices were lead sulphide or Galena "Cat whisker" detectors for AM broadcast band "Crystal Radio's", Some selenium and copper oxide rectifiers were just coming in vogue as replacements for Tungar or mercury vapor rectifiers..
This was in 1956 I was 10 years old then... How old were You?

Doc


I'm just a year younger then you and I recall the CK-722 transistor being available around '57-'58, for $8 as I recall. Ordered one from Allied Electronics.

Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jul 02, 2014, 12:12 pm

Maybe the church is looking into diversification?

I realize this forum category is essentially the lint trap of Arduino's community, but I am amazed at how lenient the owners and mods are here WRT permitting threads to exist which have absolutely no practical worth at all.  (Just an idle observation.)

Not open source due to commercial ICs..   Indeed.  It's never free enough, is it?   :smiley-roll:


Correct, Ugggly englishman. Yes , is never free enough.  ]:D.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AWOL on Jul 02, 2014, 12:29 pm

Correct, Ugggly englishman.

Last time I looked, Anchorage was not in any of Her Majesty's Overseas Dominions, Possessions and Territories.
If anything, last time it was owned by anyone, it was by a Tzar.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jul 02, 2014, 03:01 pm


Correct, Ugggly englishman.

Last time I looked, Anchorage was not in any of Her Majesty's Overseas Dominions, Possessions and Territories.
If anything, last time it was owned by anyone, it was by a Tzar.


Your queen is their queen...
So for transitive relations of englishitude you are all englishman. :smiley-yell:

Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: SirNickity on Jul 02, 2014, 09:37 pm
I feel like we're being trolled by a Turing test.

Hey Alessio, what's 32 divided by 0?
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: AlessioG on Jul 02, 2014, 09:54 pm

I feel like we're being trolled by a Turing test.

Hey Alessio, what's 32 divided by 0?

42.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: SirNickity on Jul 03, 2014, 01:21 am
Touche...   8)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Henry_Best on Jul 03, 2014, 06:24 am


Correct, Ugggly englishman.

Last time I looked, Anchorage was not in any of Her Majesty's Overseas Dominions, Possessions and Territories.
If anything, last time it was owned by anyone, it was by a Tzar.
Technically, since the Tzar sold it, it belongs to the buyer. And I agree that it is not, nor has it ever been, British.
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: SirNickity on Jul 03, 2014, 09:12 pm
We've been meaning to talk to you guys about that for a while.  It seems to still have some English weather patterns.  In particular, a nasty habit of being gorgeous and sunny during work hours, only to cloud over and start raining by quiting time.  (Anchorage is a coastal town... hence the name.)
Title: Re: Question about FAQ and Open Hardware.
Post by: Henry_Best on Jul 04, 2014, 06:20 am

We've been meaning to talk to you guys about that for a while.  It seems to still have some English weather patterns.  In particular, a nasty habit of being gorgeous and sunny during work hours, only to cloud over and start raining by quiting time.  (Anchorage is a coastal town... hence the name.)
Don't worry. We'll be sending the bill for that weather, shortly.  :)