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polymorph

Yes, real Duct tape is aluminum foil tape, not aluminum -colored- plastic/fabric tape.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD
Drawing Schematics: tinyurl.com/23mo9pf - tinyurl.com/o97ysyx - https://tinyurl.com/Technote8
Multitasking: forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=223286.0
gammon.com.au/blink - gammon.com.au/serial - gammon.com.au/interrupts

cyberteque

On my bicycle I use chain wax, great stuff!

My "friend" needed to borrow my bike to fetch a puncture kit for his, so he took mine.

Came back, says "Your chain was squeaking, I lubed it with WD-40"

I was not happy

GoForSmoke

On the OT,

Since I was a child I have seen most people reach a certain age where looking words up in a close to hand dictionary becomes near-impossible. It's an attitude. Once you finish school, you become a completed adult. From there, looking things up is like admitting that you are not. And yes, I got told the "finished high school, know everything that matters" spiel many times back in the days.

Now we have the internet. Someone can be online asking for help and given links to fully prepared sites chock full of perfectly good and often illustrated explanations that they don't have to get off their... seats... to access, they still demonstrate a failure to even begin to absorb as much as a few terms.

"Here's a plate of food" gets "I can't use a fork, knife or spoon. Feed me.".

I'm happy to say that I have been able to help people not at all like that. If they get stuck and you give them a little help, they figure it out and get going. 

It's the others that get me.

But as I note, this is nothing new. It's just that with easy net access we have idiots where we did not before.

1) http://gammon.com.au/blink  <-- tasking Arduino 1-2-3
2) http://gammon.com.au/serial <-- techniques howto
3) http://gammon.com.au/interrupts
Your sketch can sense ongoing process events in time.
Your sketch can make events to control it over time.

cyberteque


On the OT,

Since I was a child I have seen most people reach a certain age where looking words up in a close to hand dictionary becomes near-impossible. It's an attitude. Once you finish school, you become a completed adult. From there, looking things up is like admitting that you are not. And yes, I got told the "finished high school, know everything that matters" spiel many times back in the days.

Now we have the internet. Someone can be online asking for help and given links to fully prepared sites chock full of perfectly good and often illustrated explanations that they don't have to get off their... seats... to access, they still demonstrate a failure to even begin to absorb as much as a few terms.

"Here's a plate of food" gets "I can't use a fork, knife or spoon. Feed me.".

I'm happy to say that I have been able to help people not at all like that. If they get stuck and you give them a little help, they figure it out and get going. 

It's the others that get me.

But as I note, this is nothing new. It's just that with easy net access we have idiots where we did not before.




Google and wikipedia are dangerous things...

TomGeorge

Hi, my step daughter (now 25yo) came out of primary school (years 0 to 6) and still did not know what clockwise and anti-clockwise WAS!!! (Digital time taught)
Also she would take time to even work out  6 times 7, then when asked immediately after it,  7 times 6, she would take time and work it out AGAIN!!!! (They never had to memorise multiplication tables or anything,)

Tom...... :)

Everything runs on smoke, let the smoke out, it stops running....

GoForSmoke

So major politician material then? Might rule the country some day?
1) http://gammon.com.au/blink  <-- tasking Arduino 1-2-3
2) http://gammon.com.au/serial <-- techniques howto
3) http://gammon.com.au/interrupts
Your sketch can sense ongoing process events in time.
Your sketch can make events to control it over time.

Henry_Best


Hi, my step daughter (now 25yo) came out of primary school (years 0 to 6) and still did not know what clockwise and anti-clockwise WAS!!! (Digital time taught)
My father taught me "Turn to the right to make it tight." That works...until you find a left-handed thread!
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Also she would take time to even work out  6 times 7, then when asked immediately after it,  7 times 6, she would take time and work it out AGAIN!!!! (They never had to memorise multiplication tables or anything,)
They're taught to rely on calculators, but if they miss-key, or use the wrong formula, they'll never know they've got the wrong answer!
Earlier today I wanted to convert US$42 into pounds Sterling. I know that $1 is approx. £0.65. Being lazy, I fired up the calculator and entered 42/0.65. Woops. That can't be right! Face-palm! I meant 42 * 0.65.  Would any one who had not been taught basic arithmatic have spotted that or would they have assumed the first answer was correct?

Coding Badly

On my bicycle I use chain wax, great stuff!


Ditto.  Soak in solvent.  Wash with soap and water.  Apply the wax.

GoForSmoke


Also she would take time to even work out  6 times 7, then when asked immediately after it,  7 times 6, she would take time and work it out AGAIN!!!!


That has Left-Brain Fixation stamped all over it.
Too much emphasis on FOCUS which is what schools have done ever more since long ago.
When kids don't get out to play and interact with the world, it makes it worse.
When focus gets all the praise then that is what gets developed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFs9WO2B8uI
1) http://gammon.com.au/blink  <-- tasking Arduino 1-2-3
2) http://gammon.com.au/serial <-- techniques howto
3) http://gammon.com.au/interrupts
Your sketch can sense ongoing process events in time.
Your sketch can make events to control it over time.

Henry_Best



Also she would take time to even work out  6 times 7, then when asked immediately after it,  7 times 6, she would take time and work it out AGAIN!!!!


That has Left-Brain Fixation stamped all over it.
Too much emphasis on FOCUS which is what schools have done ever more since long ago.
When kids don't get out to play and interact with the world, it makes it worse.
When focus gets all the praise then that is what gets developed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFs9WO2B8uI

Where Focus = lack of lateral thinking (How else can I do this?)

GoForSmoke

You know how you can be stuck on a code bug, get up for a break and see what you didn't when you get back? That is precisely because of fixation where the conscious "knows" the lines are right even when they're not.
If you get too good at focus it takes longer breaks to shake it off. And yes, that can get worse.
1) http://gammon.com.au/blink  <-- tasking Arduino 1-2-3
2) http://gammon.com.au/serial <-- techniques howto
3) http://gammon.com.au/interrupts
Your sketch can sense ongoing process events in time.
Your sketch can make events to control it over time.

Coding Badly

You know how you can be stuck on a code bug, get up for a break and see what you didn't when you get back?


It's the elves (or not)...
http://boingboing.net/2006/08/10/seymour-cray-liked-t.html

Jantje


You know how you can be stuck on a code bug, get up for a break and see what you didn't when you get back?


It's the elves (or not)...
http://boingboing.net/2006/08/10/seymour-cray-liked-t.html


Hmmm I've been digging a basement under my house for years ... Didn't find any elves....... I probably live on the wrong place..........Should I move??????
LOL

Jantje
Do not PM me a question unless you are prepared to pay for consultancy.
Nederlandse sectie - http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/board,77.0.html -

TomGeorge

Hi, you need to goto a place called the SHIRE, find a big guy called GANDOLF and lttle guy, FRODO, they will get your elves for you, may take a while though, it involves a ring I hear.

(Don't be surprised if they look familiar to you, actors they get everywhere...... :~)

Tom.......(Not far from the SHIRE except for a little bit of water called "The Tasman Sea".. :)
Everything runs on smoke, let the smoke out, it stops running....

Henry_Best


Hmmm I've been digging a basement under my house for years ... Didn't find any elves....... I probably live on the wrong place..........Should I move??????
LOL

Jantje
You haven't dug deep enough...   :)

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