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pYro_65

#15
Jul 16, 2016, 02:10 pm Last Edit: Jul 16, 2016, 02:11 pm by pYro_65
i mean just look at the fabric of our minds ,that cannot in anyway be the result of random mutations
The most random set of all will eventually give a set of permutations you may be looking for.

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the scientific arguments are simply too weak when it comes to the origins of things .
Still what we have knowledge of, and the prospect of what we may learn in the future is better than giving up all hope and relying on a flying spaghetti monster to answer everything.
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Robin2

Perhaps the most important aspect of evolution is that it is NOT random. The mutations it works with may be random, but they are tested very severely (survival of the fittest) before being being passed down the generations.

The fact that in 4 billion years only one species evolved intelligence on our planet leaves me doubtful of the possibiltity of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But that is a very different logical argument.

...R
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pYro_65

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Jul 16, 2016, 03:12 pm Last Edit: Jul 16, 2016, 04:06 pm by pYro_65
Perhaps the most important aspect of evolution is that it is NOT random. The mutations it works with may be random, but they are tested very severely (survival of the fittest) before being being passed down the generations.
Just because one particular random permutation works out to be best does not in any way mean it isn't a random process.

But I do agree that evolution is not entirely random. The numbers popping out of Darwins PRNG are reduced to a subset targeted at stress testing a particular feature.
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travis_farmer

The fact that in 4 billion years only one species evolved intelligence on our planet leaves me doubtful of the possibiltity of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But that is a very different logical argument.
If that is true, then it seems like an awful waste of space.
perhaps "they" are already here. maybe I am one of them... ;)

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Boardburner2

, i tend not to assimilate
perhaps "they" are already here. maybe I am one of them... ;)

~Travis

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TomGeorge

This was settled a few years ago. When the human species evolved intelligence. (And note that no other species was stupid enough to do so)
Are we intelligent? ? ? ?

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(And note that no other species was stupid enough to do so)
means we are stupid too.......
I can accept that.....  Tom... :)
Everything runs on smoke, let the smoke out, it stops running....

pYro_65

means we are stupid too.......
I can accept that.....  Tom... :)
I think most of our problems are not from intelligence, but the inability for it to override the overwhelming primitive instincts we have hard wired. Intelligence is no match for stupid.
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Robin2

the inability for it to override the overwhelming primitive instincts we have hard wired.
I agree that we should use intelligence to ameliorate the impact of primitive instincts. However I suspect that most people actually use intelligence to pursue the primitive instincts more effectively.

The primitive instinct is to have a better car or kitchen than your neighbour. Intelligence helps you to get it - perhaps by persuading some gullible bank that you can afford to repay the loan :)

(And, just to be clear, I don't mean that "more effectively" is a good thing)

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TomGeorge

Hi,
Now hang on, don't go away, I'll be right back.

After I get my Ph.D and possibly my Yarts Diploma so I can follow this higher level of lurnin' we are talkin' about, that seems to be proving our stupidity and intelligence combined.

OK I'm back......

ameliorate =  ameli || 8   got it....  whats ameli   ahh  yes ameli =   a mile,  misspelled, thats the intelligent bit.


Tom..... :o


(I love it when people start talking about intelligence and higher concepts of sivilizashun, no matter what solutions or conclusions they come up with, the sun will still rise in the east, petrol will still cost too much, we will still complain about things we can't fix and ignore things we can, (oops getting a bit cerebral, must be the Ph.D), and still have to pay bloody taxes.)
(Yes I'm in sarcastic mode)







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Robin2

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Jul 17, 2016, 08:01 pm Last Edit: Jul 18, 2016, 01:17 pm by Robin2
I don't believe humans are one bit happier now than they were in 1316 (or 516). We just keep on running because we think we will fall on our faces if we stop.

There are some nice brown cows (heifers, perhaps cows, they had calves!) in the field I can see through my window. I don't think my life (or yours, dear reader) is any bit better than theirs.

...R
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travis_farmer

I don't believe humans are one bit happier now than they were in 1316 (or 516). We just keep on running because we think we will fall on our faces if we stop.

There are some nice brown cows (heifers, perhaps) in the field I can see through my window. I don't think my life (or yours, dear reader) is any bit better than theirs.

...R
I think we live our lives, not so much in the pursuit of happiness, but in maintaining what we are used to doing. that gives us a level of comfort, and I guess it is perceived as happiness. so happiness is purely an individual, yet also a group pursuit. there are those of us in the pursuit of similar things, thus the group. but each person has their own exact happiness that they seek. after all, there is only room enough for one person to occupy the exact same dimensional space, therefor, if we had exact same pursuits, we would simply collide.

Now, I have no idea where that came from, but I suspect the fresh cup of coffee may have woken up something in my brain. :D

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amine2

bringing happiness in this is really interesting , since some philosophical branches tend to describe us humans as enslaved souls or a form of an enslaved consciousness , since we are continuously seeking  joy and euphoria and fearing pain . some describe us as horses that are running to get food in return and for them not to get whipped .
So the non-controllable part of hour brain is just making sure we do our job in reproduction and getting him to survive long enough ... some scientists even speculate that us (the consciousness) only exist for the need of tactical thinking and that we are the manifestation of the complicated calculations or thinking process ... so in other words we are just making sure the genes get to the next generation ... i personally don't favor this perspective ... instead i like the philosophy of religions which states that the human consciousness represents the actual human identity that get's entitled to a physical driving body that has some wild desires ... the consciousness is then judged by how well it can tame the wild physical manifestation .. so it's in some sort the opposite of what's first stated ....   
it's all about the melons .

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A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

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