Boffin 1, you are right Junction 9 is almost a car parking space off the M25 motorway :).
I think that I have it sorted now? code wise, however I am not completely sure. What I would like to do is programme the recipient relay to fire more than once, i,e, fire four times in quick succession (say 0050) and then rest for say 8(ooo) secs, but am not sure how to build multiple delays into the programme. The fast talking and very capable US lads in their tutotials ( AKA Mr Blom mainly) leave me behind from the start. Doh! I guess I`m just thick. Is there an existing site where I can copy and paste a similar existing programme and doctor it to suit? thanks for your help so far.