Sweet! Thanks Pedro. Oh and while I have you ans crossroads, my 8 x 32 is ......75% working......at first I had letters backwards and was looking at the code for the problem, but then I woke up and realized my column pin outs were swapped.....so the matrices are good on correct letters now, its just my code somehow makes all 4 say the same letter from my string as they each scroll.....I want them to scroll across one another......still WIP