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#### DragoslaV

##### Mar 02, 2011, 10:14 pmLast Edit: Mar 02, 2011, 10:28 pm by DragoslaV Reason: 1
Hey Guys,

I'm quiet new to Arduino and electronics and I am trying to build my own speedometer with LED's. Currently I have my LED's up and running. So now its time for phase 2, input

First this speedometer is for a motorcycle bike and it needs to have to following input:
* Indicator left
* Indicator right
* Fuel Injection Sensor
* Speed sensor (magnetic)
* Temperature sensor (oil heat)

Fuel Injection Sensor
This is a very important step in the process of turning on my engine. I cannot turn on my engine before this sensor calculated how many fuel it needs to burn. Of course the electronics of the bike are turned on in this process.

My problem
Well to be honest 'my mistake'. I did not calculated all the pins and I eventual got stuck with missing 1 analog input. However I think its still beatable!

My indicators can only be turned on one at the time. So its physically impossible that both left and right are turned on at the same time. I want to use this with the Fuel Injection sensor, if both left and right are turned on then this will mean the sensor is calculating how much fuel it needs to burn. If its done calculating then it will turn off both left and right indicator.

The drawing

My question
Since I am quiet a noob and before I buy the components, do anyone see any problems?? Also thanks alot in advance.

Side notes:
Indicators: This input is 12v but I heard it can go up a bit during driving.
Resistors: (12v - 5.7v)/0.04 = 157.5 (closest 150?)
Diodes: Forward Voltage drop will be at 0.7v

#### Grumpy_Mike

#1
##### Mar 02, 2011, 11:33 pm
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do anyone see any problems

Yes you are connecting 12V into the arduino, you will blow it up.

You need either potential dividers or some sort of transistor to act as a buffer.

Once you take out the Aref none of the other analogue inputs will read anything meaningful.

#2
##### Mar 02, 2011, 11:54 pm
Aside from feeding in 12V, I don't believe Aref is an input you can get readings from, and you seem to be after more digital type inputs.
Seems like its time to add a multiplex chip, or a shift in register that you read continually to see if anything has changed.
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#### DragoslaV

#3
##### Mar 03, 2011, 01:26 amLast Edit: Mar 03, 2011, 01:33 am by DragoslaV Reason: 1
@Grumpy_Mike
Thanks, I was aware that I had to cut down the 12v to 5.7v but I thought that was done differently..   What is your best practice for that then??

I looked a bit closer in the Reference page and yes I totally misunderstood it   I guess that gives me the problem of missing 2 pins. I also could use a shift register but I want to keep this project as simple possible and also I could drop the temperature sensor which only gives me the headache of how to convert the 12v to a 5.7 and eventually to 5v.

@KE7GKP
1) Well I could free up a digital pin by swapping it with a LED column.
2) That is a nice technique too I'm ganna keep that in mind! Thanks for sharing

#### MarkT

#4
##### Mar 03, 2011, 12:27 pm
There is no 'A8' pin!
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#### MarkT

#5
##### Mar 03, 2011, 12:29 pm
If you have more analog input devices than analog pins you need to multiplex, see this page: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Learning/4051
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#### DragoslaV

#6
##### Mar 03, 2011, 02:00 pmLast Edit: Mar 03, 2011, 02:05 pm by DragoslaV Reason: 1
@MarkT
Good noticed, I made a typo; it should be A0, A1 and A2.
Also thank you for the link! I guess a multiplex is the best practice for my problem.

@All & KE7GKP
I'm sorry, I should have posted my entire schematics.

Schematics (without Multiplex)

#### Grumpy_Mike

#7
##### Mar 03, 2011, 04:45 pm
The row pins can only supply 30mA so you will have to split this amongst all the columns. You normally need some form of high sided driver like a p- channel FET or a PNP transistor.

Also the row resistors should be in the columns, otherwise the brightness will change depending on how many LEDs are on at the same time.

How will the software scan these?

#### DragoslaV

#8
##### Mar 03, 2011, 09:58 pmLast Edit: Mar 03, 2011, 10:04 pm by DragoslaV Reason: 1
@Grumpy_Mike
Yes, spot on, I totally forgot to update my schematics but I have 10 resistors on the columns and not on the 8 rows as shown in the image.
Also somehow I got my LED's working without the transistors and with a very good brightness. (LED's require 20mA). Does it harm anything if I continue without?

@KE7GKP
Haha yes I used all the pins    I would have done it differently now but I guess that is what learning is all about.. I totally dropped my first idea. That idea was the result of a noob trying to figure out a creative way around

I think your multiplex is a really good idea so I'm gonna update the schematics with a 4051 between it.

#### Grumpy_Mike

#9
##### Mar 03, 2011, 11:09 pm
If each LED requires 20mA then you are asking those anode pins to supply 200mA. So yes this will do harm seeing as 40mA is the absolute limit.

#### DragoslaV

#10
##### Mar 03, 2011, 11:43 pm
That makes sense. I wish somebody told me that here. But I'm glad I you told me this while its still on my breadboard I just dont get it why they didnt mention to put transistors between it in the playground example.

So todo for now:
* Add transistor to the rows.
* Add a Multiplex. (4051)

#### Grumpy_Mike

#11
##### Mar 04, 2011, 09:21 am
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I just dont get it why they didnt mention to put transistors between it in the playground

Sadly it is not a very good example, you will note there is no resistors in although the text now tells you to do this after some badgering from a few members. The lack of resistors and overwriting of the outputs probably meant the display looked ok. There is a train of thought that goes, it is only a demonstration and people will not run it for long so overload dosn't matter.
However I think that it is important to get it right as people, like you, go on and use the circuit as a basis to expand into their own design. If you start off with the right idea you don't have to relearn old stuff.

#### DragoslaV

#12
##### Mar 05, 2011, 03:00 amLast Edit: Mar 05, 2011, 03:02 am by DragoslaV Reason: 1
Thanks everybody and thank you Mike for clarifying that out!

Based on your input and based on this schematic, I have created a new schematic for myself including the multiplex and transistors. The transistors used in this schematic is a '2N3904'. Could I also use this for my setup??

Also I would love to hear if I made a(nohter) mistake in my schematics!

#13
##### Mar 05, 2011, 03:13 am
The big block labaled transistors represents 6 more of the NPNs above?
You are missing the resistors between the arduino and the base pins as shown in the example you cite.
Need them to limit current out of arduino pin.

You might also look at ULN2803, 8 transistors all packaged up with needed resistors.
High input pin, output pulls LED cathode low.