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Using Arduino => Project Guidance => Topic started by: gyepesto on Nov 09, 2012, 03:30 am

Title: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 09, 2012, 03:30 am
Hi Guys,

I'm the new member of this forum and this hardware whose name is Arduino.

I want to make RFID project but it has to work in long range. It means that my RFID reader has to perceive the tag 3-4 meters away.

What components I have to buy? If you write them with prices, I'll be happy.

Thanks for your interest.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: PaulS on Nov 09, 2012, 07:09 am
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What components I have to buy?

An active RFID reader, with active RFiD (not passive) cards.

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If you write them with prices, I'll be happy.

No, you won't. Active RFID systems are several orders of magnitude more expensive than passive RFID systems.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: CrossRoads on Nov 09, 2012, 07:37 am
Maybe you can make a potato chip can antenna work like they do on TV.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 09, 2012, 02:07 pm
Hmm I have to buy active RFID reader, it's good. But I don't know how can I determine it works with Arduino or not.

For example this http://www.gaorfid.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=128&products_id=687 module's frequence is between 870-950 mhz but I don't know is it suitable for using with Arduino.

Can anyone choose the components which I have to use from this web site please?..
http://www.gaorfid.com/
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: PeterH on Nov 09, 2012, 03:15 pm

Hmm I have to buy active RFID reader, it's good. But I don't know how can I determine it works with Arduino or not.


Do you understand that you have to buy active tags?
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 09, 2012, 08:41 pm
Yes, there is no problem with them. My problem is about which devices is suitable for using with Arduino. I'm waiting answer to this question.

For example can you show one of suitable rfid reader and tag whose range between 3-4 meters.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: CrossRoads on Nov 09, 2012, 08:58 pm
What have you found in your google searches so far?
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Nov 09, 2012, 09:26 pm
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My problem is about which devices is suitable for using with Arduino.

You will have to say what device first before anyone can say if it will work with an Arduino.
There are many different types of reader.

Also 870-950 MHz is not the only frequency you can get active RFID tags, maybe some of the others might be cheaper.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 09, 2012, 09:54 pm

What have you found in your google searches so far?


For example this one. http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/227232953/RFID_long_range_reader.html?s=p
It meets my needs. Can I use with Arduino Mega?


You will have to say what device first before anyone can say if it will work with an Arduino.
There are many different types of reader.

Also 870-950 MHz is not the only frequency you can get active RFID tags, maybe some of the others might be cheaper.


I want to buy Arduino Mega. Yes, 900mhz may be expensive but I said at start, I am newbie. :(
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Nov 09, 2012, 09:57 pm
The link says:-
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(3)RS232/TCP/IP ports

So yes using an RS232 to TTL converter it will work with an arduino.

It also says it has:-
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3.Wiegand26/34

So that is another way to get an arduino to read it. That can be done with only two transistors to interface it.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 09, 2012, 11:54 pm
It means that if there is a ttl, it can be used with Arduino. Am I right?
http://www.parallax.com/Store/Accessories/CommunicationRF/tabid/161/CategoryID/36/List/0/SortField/0/catpageindex/1/Level/a/ProductID/582/Default.aspx is suitable for my Arduino?
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: PaulS on Nov 10, 2012, 01:29 am
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if there is a ttl, it can be used with Arduino. Am I right?

Usually. Unless the current requirements are too high.

What does that have to do with RFID?
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 10, 2012, 01:36 am
I just want to make car parking system. So it has to read the tag 3-4 meters away from barrier.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: PaulS on Nov 10, 2012, 01:38 am
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I just want to make car parking system. So it has to read the tag 3-4 meters away from barrier.

I got that from the first post. What I don't get is what the 433 MHz RF Transceiver is going to be doing.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 10, 2012, 01:45 am
Someone said me; "RFID reader's mhz is must be high" so I'm searching them. Is there any problem? If you have any idea or advice I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Nov 10, 2012, 10:02 am

Someone said me; "RFID reader's mhz is must be high" so I'm searching them. Is there any problem? If you have any idea or advice I'll be happy.

They were wrong.
You can do a car park entry system with an active transponder at any frequency.
That transmitter will allow you to make a transponder ( tag ) but will need one for every car and you need a receiver.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 11, 2012, 01:21 am
Can anyone advice me active RFID reader which can be used 3-4 meters away reading?
I want to use it with Arduino Uno R3.
I need hep. SOS.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Nov 11, 2012, 02:04 am
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Can anyone advice me active RFID reader which can be used 3-4 meters away reading

assuming you have googled
active rfid tags

What do you mean by advise you?
Do you want a list of tags and readers you can use?

http://www.activewaveinc.com/applications_parking_lots.php (http://www.activewaveinc.com/applications_parking_lots.php)

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=21 (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=21)

http://www.pacw.org/no-cache/issue/june_2011_issue/news/technology_news/rfid_radiofrequency_identification.html (http://www.pacw.org/no-cache/issue/june_2011_issue/news/technology_news/rfid_radiofrequency_identification.html)
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 11, 2012, 02:15 am
Yes, googled and learned how it works but couldn't find products which are suitable for Arduino usage.
If you say; "You can buy this active RFID reader and tags..", I'll google them and search similar ones.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Nov 11, 2012, 09:32 am

Yes, googled and learned how it works but couldn't find products which are suitable for Arduino usage.

The only readers that are not sutiable for an arduino are those with USB connections or fire wire. All the others are.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gyepesto on Nov 12, 2012, 01:58 am
I'm buying this one with active tags.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RF40315T-x-Active-RFID-40-Meters-Transmitting-Module-/300070090192?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45dd9235d0
Will I have a problem with Arduino?
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: illkerr on Sep 01, 2014, 09:58 pm

Hello there...

I'm working on almost same project nowadays... Did you finish this, i'm asking because here is no conclusion also i need help too..
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gcode on Nov 15, 2017, 03:30 am
Hello there...

I'm working on almost same project nowadays... Did you finish this, i'm asking because here is no conclusion also i need help too..
Can anyone advice me active RFID reader which can be used 3-4 meters away reading?
I want to use it with Arduino Uno R3.
I need hep. SOS.
I'd love to hear from you two... I'm working on similar project. Tks.
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: gcode on Nov 15, 2017, 03:57 am
assuming you have googled
active rfid tags

What do you mean by advise you?
Do you want a list of tags and readers you can use?

http://www.activewaveinc.com/applications_parking_lots.php (http://www.activewaveinc.com/applications_parking_lots.php)

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=21 (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=21)

http://www.pacw.org/no-cache/issue/june_2011_issue/news/technology_news/rfid_radiofrequency_identification.html (http://www.pacw.org/no-cache/issue/june_2011_issue/news/technology_news/rfid_radiofrequency_identification.html)
I would like to implement a stand alone device with features that can also connect via wifi for minimal IOT support.

these people seem to have implemented this idea
http://www.activewaveinc.com/applications_parking_lots.php (http://www.activewaveinc.com/applications_parking_lots.php)

but its not clear if their system will allow personalize and removal of their brand. looking to do something similar but with personalization and customization of my own.

Wouldn't mind programming it myself from the ground up. Wondering which reader would do approximately 8.5m? Any ideas would help. Thanks
Title: Re: Long Range RFID Project
Post by: TomGeorge on Nov 15, 2017, 09:23 am
Hi,
I hope you realize that this is an old thread, 2012 and 2014, the fact that both of the postees are now classed as guests means that they are no longer registered with the forum.
Hence you will be lucky to get a reply from them.

The fact that there was no resolution to the problems, means that no solution was found.

Tom... :)