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Title: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 17, 2012, 08:33 am
(http://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/110.jpg)
Hey dear friends, to make Open Hardware product more aesthetic and accessible to people of different backgrounds, we've tried to cooperate with artists, and the first step is: we've come up with a new version Seeeduino!
(http://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/4.jpg)
Later on, we will have more products based on this one, such as basic kit, wearable eletronics and so forth.  In the long run, we will have more cooprations with musicians, artists, and have more versatile products.

http://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/2012/12/14/yeahfemale-version-seeeduino/  (http://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/2012/12/14/yeahfemale-version-seeeduino/)

This cute board doesn't have a name yet. Do you have any idea about giving it a suitable name? Welcome to share your creactivity with us^^ Thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: trendski on Dec 17, 2012, 12:55 pm
Excellent! It's really cute and appealing (I'm a 50 year old blokey bloke by the way). Love the doll shape - similar to those ones that all fit inside each other. My wife is Polish and they play with those as kids - So that fits with shields going together.

Will be great for youngsters of both sexes. I'll ask my wife and her friends what they think too for a ladies perspective.

My suggestion for a name is not to go too nerdy and technical with it:

How about "Sheeduino" for a name?

I would buy it as a starter kit for youngsters in my family.

Cheers
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fungus on Dec 17, 2012, 01:01 pm
That's cool!

Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: Riva on Dec 17, 2012, 01:06 pm
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How about "Sheeduino" for a name?

Darn it, you beat me to it  :)
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: AlxDroidDev on Dec 17, 2012, 01:12 pm
I suggest Dollduino as a name for it.

It kinda resembles those Russian dolls, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: Riva on Dec 17, 2012, 03:32 pm
Another silly name...
If the male device is a Seeeduino then a female one could be called an Eggduino.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: retrolefty on Dec 17, 2012, 05:03 pm
I've always been a fan of your arduino compatible designs and glad to see you are still actively supporting open sourced designs. This product does have a nice 'cute factor'.  ;)

One question about your posted pictures on this new product. In one picture you show a led stuck into the shield pins with no series current limiting resistor. Is such a resistor wired between the AVR output pin and the shield pin? If not I encourage you to fix that picture as it just perpetuates a problem for many beginners where the oldest original arduino board design did wire a series limiting resistor between the AVR output pin and the shield pin (only on arduino pin #13) but in later designs the built in resistor only limits the on-board led and does not protect the output pin from external connected leds.

How about calling it Godzillauino?

Lefty
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: t0mpr1c3 on Dec 17, 2012, 05:43 pm
If I am looking at the picture right -- running a blue LED (which drops 3+ V) off a coin cell (max 4.2 V and with some internal resistance) is not going to cause any problems.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fungus on Dec 17, 2012, 07:55 pm
Matroyskuino?

(The dolls are called "matroyska"s...)
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: retrolefty on Dec 17, 2012, 08:04 pm

If I am looking at the picture right -- running a blue LED (which drops 3+ V) off a coin cell (max 4.2 V and with some internal resistance) is not going to cause any problems.


It's technically incorrect and teaches a bad lesson in how leds should be wired up. LEDs are current operated devices and should always have external current limiting. Relying on the internal resistance of a voltage source is not a way to teach good fundamental electronics to arduino beginners.

Lefty
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 18, 2012, 02:05 am

Excellent! It's really cute and appealing (I'm a 50 year old blokey bloke by the way). Love the doll shape - similar to those ones that all fit inside each other. My wife is Polish and they play with those as kids - So that fits with shields going together.

Will be great for youngsters of both sexes. I'll ask my wife and her friends what they think too for a ladies perspective.

My suggestion for a name is not to go too nerdy and technical with it:

How about "Sheeduino" for a name?

I would buy it as a starter kit for youngsters in my family.

Cheers

We are so glad to know that you like it:) Thank you so so much for asking for more perspectives to give it a suitable name:)
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 18, 2012, 02:08 am

I suggest Dollduino as a name for it.

It kinda resembles those Russian dolls, doesn't it?


Thank you so much for sharing^^
You are right:) It does resemble the Russian dolls^^
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 18, 2012, 02:09 am

That's cool!




:P
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 18, 2012, 02:27 am

Another silly name...
If the male device is a Seeeduino then a female one could be called an Eggduino.

:D
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 18, 2012, 02:38 am

I've always been a fan of your arduino compatible designs and glad to see you are still actively supporting open sourced designs. This product does have a nice 'cute factor'.  ;)

One question about your posted pictures on this new product. In one picture you show a led stuck into the shield pins with no series current limiting resistor. Is such a resistor wired between the AVR output pin and the shield pin? If not I encourage you to fix that picture as it just perpetuates a problem for many beginners where the oldest original arduino board design did wire a series limiting resistor between the AVR output pin and the shield pin (only on arduino pin #13) but in later designs the built in resistor only limits the on-board led and does not protect the output pin from external connected leds.

How about calling it Godzillauino?

Lefty


Thank you very much for pointing it out :P. It was technically incorrect. And we've changed the picture ;).Sorry that we weren't thinking carefully while posting the picture, which misled people. While plugging the LED there, we weren't thinking about the exact pins, it was just to show that the new version Seeeduino is not only beautiful but also fully functional. From technical point of view, this is really a silly mistake.  :smiley-sweat:Sorry again, and thank you so much for reminding us^^
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: cr0sh on Dec 18, 2012, 06:30 am
There is a part of me (my feminist side) that finds such targeting condescending...
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: strykeroz on Dec 18, 2012, 06:51 am

Another silly name...If the male device is a Seeeduino then a female one could be called an Eggduino.


I suggest Dollduino as a name for it.

In the interests of brand conformity, Egggduino or Dolllduino

Geoff  XD
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fungus on Dec 18, 2012, 09:33 am

There is a part of me (my feminist side) that finds such targeting condescending...


Adults wishing that gender stereotypes don't exist won't make it so.

Little girls that play with toy cars and little boys that play with dolls are the exceptions.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: Lakes on Dec 18, 2012, 11:20 am
Cute, I would add some LED`s for the eyes though.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fungus on Dec 18, 2012, 02:26 pm

Cute, I would add some LED`s for the eyes though.


Ummm....it's got some.

(On the side of the board where the components are)

Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: Lakes on Dec 18, 2012, 02:33 pm
I missed them... :)

Still, would be nice to have on the "non-component" as well.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fkeel on Dec 18, 2012, 03:31 pm


There is a part of me (my feminist side) that finds such targeting condescending...


Adults wishing that gender stereotypes don't exist won't make it so.

Little girls that play with toy cars and little boys that play with dolls are the exceptions.



I agree with crOsh. I find the title "female arduino" a bit problematic. (my first thought actually was "huh - they already have female pins".

cr0sh was not suggesting that the stereotypes dont exist - he was (I believe) commenting that there is no need to reinforce them. Calling this a "female" arduino somehow suggests that all the others (except maybe the lillypad, cause its purple :-S ) are a for men.

Dont get me wrong. I love the design, and I think many girls will like it. But just call it "Matryoshka-Duino" or whatnot.

Calling it a female arduino implicitly saying "Hello girls - electronics are a mans domain. So you cant relate to it. But hey. You can relate to dolls. So now we have made a doll shaped arduino, which you can relate to". Its also saying "Hello guys. Look we put a lot of effort into this design. Therefore its not for you. Electronics which are designed beautiful are not your domain".

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I know you will probably say that I am interpreting too much into this, but if you give it some thought, the message is implicitly there. Also - Seedstudio - I am not trying to frame you as sexists or something. I do not think you intend to say what I believe the implicit message is. I applaud you for your creative design - I really like it. I just suggest you think about how you want to market this.

p.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: seratechi on Dec 18, 2012, 04:28 pm



There is a part of me (my feminist side) that finds such targeting condescending...


Adults wishing that gender stereotypes don't exist won't make it so.

Little girls that play with toy cars and little boys that play with dolls are the exceptions.



I agree with crOsh. I find the title "female arduino" a bit problematic. (my first thought actually was "huh - they already have female pins".

cr0sh was not suggesting that the stereotypes dont exist - he was (I believe) commenting that there is no need to reinforce them. Calling this a "female" arduino somehow suggests that all the others (except maybe the lillypad, cause its purple :-S ) are a for men.

Dont get me wrong. I love the design, and I think many girls will like it. But just call it "Matryoshka-Duino" or whatnot.

Calling it a female arduino implicitly saying "Hello girls - electronics are a mans domain. So you cant relate to it. But hey. You can relate to dolls. So now we have made a doll shaped arduino, which you can relate to". Its also saying "Hello guys. Look we put a lot of effort into this design. Therefore its not for you. Electronics which are designed beautiful are not your domain".

*

I know you will probably say that I am interpreting too much into this, but if you give it some thought, the message is implicitly there. Also - Seedstudio - I am not trying to frame you as sexists or something. I do not think you intend to say what I believe the implicit message is. I applaud you for your creative design - I really like it. I just suggest you think about how you want to market this.

p.


Hi Cr0sh and fkeel, thank you so much for sharing your opinions with us. This new version Seeeduino is called 'female version' is because the board has the shape of a cute little girl. It doesn't mean this board is designed only for lady makers.

Sorry that we did not define it clearly in the first place. This board should be taken as a combination of arts and technology. By designing this new version Seeeduino, Seeed wants to show that technology can be cute.

By combining arts and technology, we can create a bunch of cool and aesthetic stuff, which might surprise us! In the long run, we will have more cooperation with people from different fields, to have more versatile products.

Please don't be misled by the silly definition we gave to this board earlier. Thanks again for pointing it out and giving us the chance to clarify the misunderstanding.

Currently we are collecting ideas for giving this board a name, which will be used when we launch this new product to the market. Hope you guys could share your creative ideas with us^^

Thanks again for your invaluable ideas:)
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fkeel on Dec 18, 2012, 04:40 pm
hey seedstudio people :-)

Again, I applaud your work - I by no means mean to discourage you pursuing creative alternative designs. I just encourage you to be sensitive to this issue, when deciding on a final name for the board.

Edit: About the name - I like what fungus originally suggested : Matroyskuino (though I would call it Matroyskino I think :-)
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: fungus on Dec 18, 2012, 04:58 pm

I agree with crOsh. I find the title "female arduino" a bit problematic. (my first thought actually was "huh - they already have female pins".


Yeah, Ok, I'll go along with that. Keep gender out of the name.



Dont get me wrong. I love the design, and I think many girls will like it. But just call it "Matryoshka-Duino" or whatnot.


Matroyskuino.

Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: trendski on Dec 18, 2012, 08:16 pm
Arduino - we all accept this name and probably not all know what it means, we just got used to it (I think in Italian the "o" bit means it's masculine, but nobody cares).

Another silly name: if you have a strong girlfriend could you call her Arduina?

I think the market for this device could be for young people in general - as an adult I should leave well alone in trying to define what those youngsters might think about it. The best way is to ask them - the little people that will use it . The parents might want a say too, but I would ask them last  :) 

Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: Riva on Dec 18, 2012, 10:36 pm

Arduino - we all accept this name and probably not all know what it means, we just got used to it (I think in Italian the "o" bit means it's masculine, but nobody cares).

Another silly name: if you have a strong girlfriend could you call her Arduina?

I think the market for this device could be for young people in general - as an adult I should leave well alone in trying to define what those youngsters might think about it. The best way is to ask them - the little people that will use it . The parents might want a say too, but I would ask them last  :) 

Karma+ Never heard complaints about pink power tool. PC is getting OTT IMO.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: cr0sh on Dec 19, 2012, 06:33 am

Never heard complaints about pink power tool. PC is getting OTT IMO.


That might be because you weren't listening; there are more than a few women who find such marketing (ie - pink products for women) to be very condescending as well. It isn't a "PC" thing - it's recognizing being a part of a "privileged" group (ie - being a male) and also being able to see outside of that group, to see the neg things that group puts on other groups (in this case, women). Then having the courage to say "This ain't cool, guys":

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4051

Now, I know that likely Seeedstudio wasn't going in this direction, and I don't want to wander this thread OT on this subject, because it doesn't belong here (so I won't say anything more on the topic). It was just one of those things that "stood out" to me - because I can see it for what it is, whether it was meant that way or not. It really is everywhere, as the above comic indicates. I mean - I can't describe it very well, but when you see it - YOU SEE IT - it's everywhere (and unfortunately, so many men aren't able to see it - and as a male, that makes me cringe).
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: Riva on Dec 19, 2012, 08:40 am
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That might be because you weren't listening; there are more than a few women who find such marketing (ie - pink products for women) to be very condescending as well.

But equally, women (and maybe some men) buy the products because they like them. Have these people been brainwashed into that? Who is right if you have two sides to the coin like this, someone is always a looser if the other side enforces there will on you.

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It isn't a "PC" thing - it's recognizing being a part of a "privileged" group (ie - being a male) and also being able to see outside of that group, to see the neg things that group puts on other groups (in this case, women). Then having the courage to say "This ain't cool, guys":

Don't get me started on religion  :smiley-roll:

Back on topic.
I like the product concept and it will appeal to some (though not all) people. A functional but fun design.
Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: trendski on Dec 29, 2012, 04:20 pm
I was thinking about this cool design over the Christmas holiday and thought it would be great to see a new expansion of arduino board design into fun shaped boards with nice colours and patterns etc... as long as you can still fit shields on them. (I think it was due to seeing lots of new toys - I'm still a big kid really).

I like circular and round objects and symmetry. I know there is the lily pad but that is a completely different implementation.

Round boards with Ying / Yang symbols, Celtic Knots, dragons etc... would attract me. I like ancient cultural mysticism and practice martial arts. Especially nice if  leds are strategically placed in the designs. 8)

There is also an industry based on personalised printing onto everyday objects - why not Arduino products too? I'm not really suggesting putting your face on an Arduino, but hey, whatever turns you on :D.

As engineers and scientist we might scoff. However, invention and imagination can create magic, and science / engineering is the real magic in our lives. It is easier to engage youngsters when ideas are presented with a bit of magic.


Title: Re: Female version Seeeduino
Post by: karlboll on Dec 29, 2012, 04:27 pm

There is a part of me (my feminist side) that finds such targeting condescending...


I agree but at least it isn't pink.