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Title: Arduino and Money
Post by: pedram on Mar 05, 2017, 06:06 pm
Hi,
Is there any way to earn money via Arduino?
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Delta_G on Mar 05, 2017, 06:14 pm
Step 1.  Collect underpants
Step 2.  ? ? ?
Step 3.  Profit
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: jremington on Mar 05, 2017, 07:10 pm
Buy a bunch of Arduinos at a low price and sell them at a higher price.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 05, 2017, 11:32 pm
Buy a bunch of Arduinos at a low price and sell them at a higher price.
Aren't the Arduino folks already doing that ?

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Delta_G on Mar 06, 2017, 02:05 am
Buy a bunch of Arduinos at a low price and sell them at a higher price.
Aren't the Arduino folks already doing that ?

...R
OK, Buy a bunch of Arduinos at a low low price and sell them at a much higher price that is slightly lower than the price that others are selling them at. 
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: ballscrewbob on Mar 06, 2017, 04:26 am
Find a niche Arduino application such as the infamous Arduino Weather Maker.

Epoxy it into a box and sell it to the highest bidding evil genius / government / deity.

 
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Qdeathstar on Mar 06, 2017, 04:44 am
I don't think the arduino has enough processing power to control a printer, so i'm not sure it could make bills. However, i'm sure you could use it to drive a motor that could be used to press coins. Be careful though, making money with an arduino might be illegal.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Qdeathstar on Mar 06, 2017, 04:46 am
Quote from: Delta G
OK, Buy steal a bunch of Arduinos at a low low pricefor free and sell them at a much higher price that is slightly lower than the price that others are selling them at.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 06, 2017, 10:02 am
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OK, Buy steal a bunch of Arduinos at a low low pricefor free and sell them at a much higher price that is slightly lower than the price that others are selling them at.
That sounds very like an incitement to commit a crime.

I would like to formally dissociate myself very clearly from this.

And stealing is completely contrary to the generosity of spirit that is the hallmark of Open Source software and hardware.

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: msssltd on Mar 06, 2017, 11:15 am
I guess you could use an Arduino to mine for bitcoin.......very slllooooowwwwwllllllly
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Qdeathstar on Mar 06, 2017, 01:51 pm
@Robin2

Here are the 12 flights of stairs, pushed into position, so you may embark from your horse.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Boardburner2 on Mar 06, 2017, 03:45 pm
I thought the whole point of arduino was to waste/spend lots of money.

EDIT

And time.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 06, 2017, 11:15 pm
Here are the 12 flights of stairs, pushed into position, so you may embark from your horse.
The usual mounting block with 2 steps will be sufficient :)

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: pert on Mar 07, 2017, 01:57 am
I'd look at what the people who are consistently making money off "makers" are doing right. SparkFun and Adafruit for example. Unless you live in China you're probably not going to be able to win on price alone but there are a lot of customers who are willing to pay extra for a more gentle learning curve. The extra effort of providing proper documentation, example code, libraries, schematics, etc. can pay back many times over in increased sales and reduced number of support requests and returns. There are companies trying to cash in on the Arduino market who clearly have almost no experience with Arduino and it really makes me mad when I see people getting ripped off buying their products and going through a lot of frustration. It makes sense if you buy a board on eBay for $2 w/ free shipping that you're on your own but when you pay $45 for some pretty minimal hardware that should include proper support.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: westfw on Mar 07, 2017, 05:39 am
There seem to be lots of people taking classes that will pay you to do their homework for them...

You could offer classes.   You could consult.   You could build a bigger better gadget that happens to include an Arduino.   these are fancy ways of "buy low, sell high" - "nominal fee for the class, plus you'll need your own Arduino, and I can sell you one of these $5 Nano clones PLUS a USB cable for $15; much cheaper than <real Arduino.>"

You could dress in a bikini and do video tutorials about Arduino, and collect advertising dollars from Youtube.

You'll note that some of these require a good deal of expertise, and/or ... other attributes.

Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 09, 2017, 03:39 pm
Hi,
Is there any way to earn money via Arduino?
Use Arduino to automate or assist some job.
Package that with a very small board or stand-alone chip for the controller, you program it with your Arduino.

If you use some public domain libraries like SD, you are required to keep your software open. But write your own and you can keep your secrets, AVR chips can be locked from practical means of reading the code.

But first, try making things not to be sales products just to learn do and don't of making. Find out what you can do before wasting time dreaming too much. Get up with your code, poor coding limits what can be done more than 99%.

What you can do when adding parts to the controller is enormous. Dozens of sensors and motors are not too much, IR remote is not too much, SD cards are not too much, switching house mains is not too much, even having it call your phone or send web data to a site is not too much... but it all comes at some cost and ability to wire up and code and invent which is up to you. Don't spend big until you can do more than small.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: birddog on Mar 09, 2017, 09:50 pm
Start a lucrative Ardruino Watercooling and Overclocking(if overclocking is possible on it)  niche market.  You could probably just grind pennies down smooth for heatsinks.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Boardburner2 on Mar 09, 2017, 09:57 pm
Use Arduino to automate or assist some job.

The Atmega 328 at the core of the Arduino has been used in automation etc by professional engineers for this.

Arduino is basically a cheap educational platform that allows you to learn how to use it.

Many years ago embedded systems were developed using boards costing several hundreds.
We had to programme them using hex or octal as well.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 10, 2017, 06:48 am
The Atmega 328 at the core of the Arduino has been used in automation etc by professional engineers for this.

Arduino is basically a cheap educational platform that allows you to learn how to use it.

Many years ago embedded systems were developed using boards costing several hundreds.
We had to programme them using hex or octal as well.
What you program the chip in doesn't make it special. What the chip does makes it special.

Arduino Uno is a development board that can be used to make end product controllers with.
Arduino IDE is the free development software for Arduino boards.

If you already know how to use Arduino there are many things you can produce with it so how you get "basically a cheap educational platform that allows you to learn how to use it." eludes me since learning how to use it is just the start as stated by docs on this site.

Parts are cheaper now and integration more complete than before, it doesn't make these toys much as that's what I call them. They cease to be toys when they're put to work.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Boardburner2 on Mar 10, 2017, 02:44 pm
." eludes me since learning how to use it is just the start as stated by docs on this site.

Parts are cheaper now and integration more complete than before, it doesn't make these toys much as that's what I call them. They cease to be toys when they're put to work.
It was an attempt to explain to the OP how these devices get used for commercial applications.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Chagrin on Mar 10, 2017, 05:19 pm
You'll note that some of these require a good deal of expertise, and/or ... other attributes.
I tried that but my videos kept getting banned.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 11, 2017, 07:37 am
It was an attempt to explain to the OP how these devices get used for commercial applications.
And computing used to be done on mainframes with programs punched on cards too.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 11, 2017, 03:19 pm
"collect underpants" ???  :o

it just occurred to me, what the heck does that mean?

~Travis
Go to underpants outlets and those big underpants conventions and buy the collectible ones.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: liuzengqiang on Mar 11, 2017, 06:34 pm
You have an idea, you have some skills to realize your idea. You should be able to make some money off that idea. That's the theory and practice in Arduino DIY for a while but I know that many are angered by all the cheap modules and arduino clones on ebay and beyond. There seems to be nothing you can design to have any price advantage over the flood of modules when a module is sold cheaper with free shipping on ebay than the key component featured on the module. Say I design a board featuring ATMEGA328P. The 328P is about $4 each. Then a nano clone costs only $3 -$3.50 so why designing anything?!

That was my opinion for a while.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Delta_G on Mar 11, 2017, 06:42 pm
"collect underpants" ???  :o

it just occurred to me, what the heck does that mean?

~Travis
It's a reference to an episode of South Park. 

It's a meme against someone who feels like they are ready for business but their business plan only says, "Make lots of money." and nothing else. 
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: pert on Mar 11, 2017, 08:06 pm
The 328P is about $4 each.
Wow, you need to get a different supplier, you're getting scammed if you're paying anywhere near that much at any sort of purchase quantity for manufacturing.

I think it's still possible to sell hardware for a higher price if you can provide better support, etc. as in the examples of Sparkfun/Adafruit but a lot of customers are going to just get the lowest price board and there's no way to compete on price with a lot of this stuff. I can buy a board on eBay for less than it would cost me to mail it to my neighbor. If you can come up with a new product then there is no competition at first but if it's successful enough the clones are soon to come so you have to be constantly innovating.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 11, 2017, 10:46 pm
The 328P is about $4 each. Then a nano clone costs only $3 -$3.50 so why designing anything?!
Futurlec (ships from HK) has been charging $2.20 ea for single DIP 328P's. Shipping is not free but for me so far, about $7. They sell the DIP 1284P for $7 and have a wide chip selection. I've spent about $40 a pop there.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: liuzengqiang on Mar 11, 2017, 11:04 pm
Pert,

The price must have just come down from about $4. Now it is $2

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/microchip-technology/ATMEGA328P-AU/ATMEGA328P-AU-ND/1832260

One year ago I bought 100 P-au at $2.7 each, that's 100. Most people don't need that many.

Now it is half the price. Still, even before the price came down, the nanos were at $3-3.5.

Anyway, most makers aren't going to compete with spar-dafruit. Here is one solution I found that may suit others as well:

Don't hate/fear the cheap stuff on the internet, use them! I used to build boards like this (both sides need reflow, only showing one side):

(https://liudr.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/ospl_v2_4_17-pcb-back.jpg)

This is what I do now:
(https://liudr.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/red-version-assembled-lcd-removed.jpg)

I am using all these cheap modules in a thru-hole design. This is an open-source data logger so is the previous one. On the outside they look the same:
(https://liudr.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/ospl_v2_4_17-unit-front-on.jpg)
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 12, 2017, 12:12 am
The software should carry the sales price. Don't expect to compete with China selling empty boards.

Futurlec has held that $2.20 ea ($200 for 100) for the DIP 328P-PU since at least 2012. I saw DIPMICRO beat that at the end of last year but didn't get to move on it till too late.

Where you shop and how many you buy is where you get your price. A factory that produces 100,000 to millions of boards is not paying small quantity prices for chips.

How often do we get farmers wanting to automate chicken coops? Enough to show there's likely many more who don't attempt (or even think of attempting) the project. With the right package, some will buy and pay to have it installed right. Just don't be wrong, it had better be tested and work from the start.
 
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: liuzengqiang on Mar 12, 2017, 12:40 am
Finding the right market is also crucial. Like GoForSmoke said, provide the right package and carefree operation. That's worth value added, not just the hardware, which is cheap.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: pert on Mar 12, 2017, 01:54 am
The price must have just come down from about $4. Now it is $2
Maybe related to the MicroChip buyout. I'm glad I didn't notice the price go up, I would have been stressed out. I bought 25 with a digikey order before that happened and haven't needed any since.

Anyway, most makers aren't going to compete with spar-dafruit.
I wouldn't recommend trying to compete, rather emulate what they're doing right (documentation, libraries, customer support, branding) but with products they don't sell.

This is what I do now:
I do like the look of a board with no modules, though I don't know why I have that hang-up. However, I'm also a big fan of through hole because it's so much more accessible so the board with modules has a significant advantage. They can order the kit and it probably won't take much over an hour to assemble even for someone with only a little prior experience with a soldering iron! In that way the second seems even more "open" to me. Of course some will be happy to pay you extra for the assembled device too. If you can provide this at a lower cost by using the modules that's great. Even though your shipping cost will be higher than what a Chinese seller would pay, it's not so bad as trying to compete on a single module sale since it's divided among a handful of modules and the extra shipping cost is well worth it to a US buyer anxious to get their new toy soon.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 12, 2017, 09:53 am
Maybe related to the MicroChip buyout. I'm glad I didn't notice the price go up,
It didn't for all sources unless it happened before 2012. Blame Obama.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: pert on Mar 12, 2017, 10:03 am
Yep, it must have been Obama trying to take away my 42nd amendment right to bear microcontrollers.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 12, 2017, 10:52 am
If we can't blame Obama then we might start seeing what's really going on.

 
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: pert on Mar 12, 2017, 11:03 am
You're right, I see it now. It was the Russians!
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 12, 2017, 01:43 pm
Or just a few thousand internationals playing the rest of the world off on each other.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 12, 2017, 02:27 pm
Looks like the OP made a $million after his Original Post and does not need our help anymore :)

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: GoForSmoke on Mar 12, 2017, 05:57 pm
Or got bored with fishing here.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: birddog on Mar 12, 2017, 09:50 pm
Or got bored with fishing here.
I like your thinking, it is just about good BASS fishing weather again, maybe I can make my millions adapting Arduino to that somehow....

here fishy fishy fishy......

Pic Attached.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Delta_G on Mar 12, 2017, 10:31 pm
If it works, then that Nano probably costs at most a quarter of the cost of a good store-bought lure. 
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: larryd on Mar 13, 2017, 12:46 am
(http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=460326.0;attach=203452)

Going to have to try a Nano next time I go fishing.

Wouldn't the flashing LED 13 be illegal?


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Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: ChrisTenone on Mar 13, 2017, 08:54 am
...here fishy fishy fishy......

Pic Attached.

I thought only AVRs were good for this application. Something about register orthogonality makes the PIC chips poor lures.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 13, 2017, 10:05 am
makes the PIC chips poor lures.
Well they did not manage to lure the Arduino founders away from Atmel chips.

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: ChrisTenone on Mar 13, 2017, 12:11 pm
Well they did not manage to lure the Arduino founders away from Atmel chips.

...R
Both AVR and PIC serve the education and hobby markets. The hobby market is dominated by AVR, while education splits them about evenly: microprocessor courses taught in computer science or business departments most often use PIC. STEM and physics programs tend toward AVR, while engineering can go either way. ... or neither.

Banzi and the other's choice of AVR is rooted in history and is unlikely to ever change to PIC, solely due to the product manufacturer's merger, or the machine architecture. All the growth seems to be 'vertically', away from 8 bit processors. Hobby and education markets will hold on to 8 bit processors for a long time. My money is on AVR to be the last chip standing, but who knows the future plans of Microchip for the two, "competing" product lines?


Fish are attracted to a more organic lure though.
AVR - particularly Arduino - has that, right?

Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Henry_Best on Mar 13, 2017, 01:18 pm
I like your thinking, it is just about good BASS fishing weather again, maybe I can make my millions adapting Arduino to that somehow....

here fishy fishy fishy......

Pic Attached.
Fish and chips?
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 13, 2017, 03:11 pm
Both AVR and PIC  ....
Sorry. I was just trying to have some fun with the word "lure"

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Boardburner2 on Mar 13, 2017, 05:04 pm
. My money is on AVR to be the last chip standing, but who knows the future plans of Microchip for the two, "competing" product lines?


Used to use PIC quite a lot.

Thing about AVR for me is that the forum has a much better 'feel' to it than the microchip forum.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: birddog on Mar 13, 2017, 06:50 pm
I have had these ideas, but have failed to get any investors behind them.  Feel free to implement them if you can.  I will not seek royalties.


(http://edsonrazors.com/Store/Store/vintagerazors_files/thumbDrop_5820.jpg)   PLUS   (https://www.arduino-board.com/images/thumbs/uno.jpg)   =   Automatic shaver


(http://blog.toiletpaperworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/54000.jpg)   PLUS   (https://www.arduino-board.com/images/thumbs/uno.jpg)   =   You get the idea



It's a reference to an episode of South Park. 
You mean an Arduino is "about tree-fiddy"?
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Henry_Best on Mar 13, 2017, 09:56 pm
I have had these ideas, but have failed to get any investors behind them.  Feel free to implement them if you can.  I will not seek royalties.


(http://edsonrazors.com/Store/Store/vintagerazors_files/thumbDrop_5820.jpg)   PLUS   (https://www.arduino-board.com/images/thumbs/uno.jpg)   =   Automatic shaver


(http://blog.toiletpaperworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/54000.jpg)   PLUS   (https://www.arduino-board.com/images/thumbs/uno.jpg)   =   You get the idea
I won't be volunteering to beta test either of those.
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: larryd on Mar 13, 2017, 10:04 pm
What happens if the two get integrated? ???


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Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: westfw on Mar 13, 2017, 11:48 pm

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Both AVR and PIC serve the education and hobby markets. The hobby market is dominated by AVR
This is a relatively recent phenomena.  Pre-Arduino, the hobby market was dominated by PICs (and obsolete PICs at that), and the "easy" hobbyist market targeted by Arduino was probably dominated by "The BASIC Stamp" from Parallax.  A bit before that (and occasionally since Arduino), Atmel AVRs were difficult to obtain from hobbyist-friendly dealers, and many of the semi-pro dealers (digikey/etc) didn't carry them.  Usually programmed in Assembly Language; I remember ordering some ATmega48s as my AVRs with "lots of flash space" - the usual candidates with A90S2313 with 2k...  (although - I notice that my perception of "relatively recent" is stretching out as I get older.  Have I really been doing Arduino Stuff for a decade, now?  Ouch!)


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while education splits them about evenly: microprocessor courses taught in computer science or business departments most often use PIC.
(microprocessor courses in business departments???!!!)
Microprocessor courses are relatively rare in general. :-(  I'm not sure you can derive meaningful statistics.

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All the growth seems to be 'vertically', away from 8 bit processors.
Indeed.  PIC32 has more Arduino stuff than AVR32, but ARM is winning out.
Some part of me is half-expecting PIC and AVR to both die out as "odd proprietary architectures", leaving behind a bunch of 8051 derivatives for the 8bit crowd, and everyone else moved to ARM/etc.  (8051 and ARM both being architectures supported by "many" vendors.)

Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: Robin2 on Mar 14, 2017, 12:04 am
Some part of me is half-expecting PIC and AVR to both die out as "odd proprietary architectures", leaving behind a bunch of 8051 derivatives for the 8bit crowd, and everyone else moved to ARM/etc.  (8051 and ARM both being architectures supported by "many" vendors.)
Should I buy in another 20 Atmega 328s and a few Attiny's to see me out?

...R
Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: westfw on Mar 14, 2017, 12:51 am
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Should I buy in another 20 Atmega 328s and a few Attiny's to see me out?
I dunno.  Wanna buy some AT90S1200 chips that I bought back close to when they first showed up as purchasable?
Or some Tiny11s.  I've got a bunch of them; they were (briefly) only $0.25 each!

Title: Re: Arduino and Money
Post by: ChrisTenone on Mar 14, 2017, 08:52 pm
Sorry. I was just trying to have some fun with the word "lure"

...R
Fun with lures pretty much defines my pedagogical style. ;)