sorry, I am google dumb when it comes to their little groups and whatnot apps

how do I add myself?

drop the board and use a tiny it would for sure be small enough for a ornament

the tree water alarm is a good idea too, so is the bell as long as you hide it before hand instead of after, though IR means line of sight, you could use a simple 1 way radio

a thing I will be doing is replacing the cheesy incandescent lights in our star with a couple few decent output RGB leds and a slow starburst fade pattern (I think there is a grand total of 8 lights in the thing now and its very even with the glass diffusion so it should be no magic trick with a tiny, some proper drivers and a celphone charger hidden in the tree)

it's a slippery slope: Add a little thing here, another little thing there and soon you end up rebuilding Eclipse only on worse.

I am not talking about adding anything, I gave up on that when the community had a hissyfit in the uno threads acting like adding anything would confuse and bewilder anyone (confusing things like a menu to change font size)

For my part, I would prefer if the Arduino IDE team concentrates in fixing the bugs and and focus on the vision they have for the IDE, whatever that might be. My impression was, the main target group for the IDE are beginners, so make it easy for them and forget all about power users. They have enough good other options available and thus matter a lot less.

and that is all I am saying, fix the broken crap, but what do I get the very next post in the very first paragraph "its slippery go use eclipse"

*pulls hair out*

why is it that there is an automatic assumption that the IDE has to be one of 2 extremes?

its either fisher-price for the noob or freaking eclipse!

it just has issues, and god help anyone say anything about it cause then they are a AVRGCC expert wanting to use eclipse and thus their opinion is invalidated

I am sure a noob would like things like show me what and where your undoing, this hit me again the other night, finger bounced hit ctrl+z 1 extra time and it changed something that I had not fiddled with for over an hour 3 tabs to the left, but did it switch tabs? did it move the cursor?

no

yea I said my bad, guess that excuses everything then doesn't it?

point is its a simple if statement why isn't it in there?

What if your computer had crashed?

what if an alien space ship landed and my house burst into flames?

what if I was getting tired and had a brain fart ?

which one of those 3 (considering I use a nix box and this is 2010) is most likely to happen, and which is the easiest to fix?

[that has been standard]

yep, just got hit by the no fkin save thing again

wrote 2 code blocks, checked slashdot real quick, said ok time for me to quit for the evening, choose shutdown

gedit asked if I wanted to save, gimp asked if I wanted to save, arduino just said FK it and closed

thanks for wasting 20 min cause you cant do a simple IF statement

yes my mistake, god help I have grown accustom to something that has been standard since the 1984 introduction of the Macintosh

my bad  

for me its not even pluggin in stuff I want, I can do without line numbers code folding and even replace

but its just tiny annoyances that build up, and constantly bite me in the arse, yea its easy to fix, so easy infact that most of it was automaticly fixed in software back in the 80's

why does the auto tab screw up every line? (and why is tab 2 spaces? tab is a special character that usually equals the space of 4 or 8 spaces depending on the terminal, I guess you could use 2, I guess you could use unicorns but its not standard and makes it hard to line code up in block at times)

why does it actually mass select a line when there is an error instead of just highlighting it out so when you hit backspace it erases a line?

why does shift backapace = delete I have never encountered that one and I have been play coding since the //e? (which is real annoying to me since I use ALL CAPS for globals and dont feel its neccacary to hit caps lock for a < 5 letter word but sometimes hit the wrong key or 2 keys)

why does ctrl+z not take you to whatever its undoing, oh I want to undo 2 things, accidentally hit ctrl+z 3 times but yet it does not show that unless its on screen at that time so I undo something I changed an hour ago at the top of the script without ever knowing it

why cant i have 0123456789 or - in a tab name? these are valid file names

why does it not remember my window size? (there is a place for it in preferences.txt USE IT!)

why does it occasionally NOT SAVE? which used to be why does it not save at all?

why does "copy for forum" not use the [code ] tags?

why does it shove my hex files in some obscure temp folder?

why does it rely on a central preferences.txt file, maybe I want more than 1 version available like v16 which is what all the vusb stuff is made for and current

why the heck cant I change the color layout without becoming a text file hunter and why in 2010 does smooth fonts come disabled by default?

why does the serial monitor just forget to print serial data without having to reset on occasion (new for 18, no issues with 17)

...for just a few off the top of my head

Yeah, but minimalist java looks an awful lot like minimalist C++, and the Arduino IDE/Editor is more-or-less exactly the Processing IDE/Editor

you know what? there are a thousand languages that "look like C" but are not, and NO again have you used processing in a extensive bit? its nothing alike, bacon and eggs go through the tutorials of processing you will see how NOT alike they are, crap man linden script looks more like C and java and its neither, its just a scripting language used for a "game",  blasted! I can add semicolons and make lua look like C, doesnt mean it is an any way or form, its a set of global functions over top of avrgcc

frosting, nothing else, and totally does not matter what language the editor was made in, its the oldest trick in the book, mimic the popular language syntax to ease users into your new language

java more or less looks like C, so what its NOT C end of story

I think it's primarily the editor we're talking about here; I don't hear a lot of complaints other about the Arduino IDE (well, no debug or sim, but that's more than an IDE problem.

the editor IS the IDE, there is nothing special about it, its a wonky text editor shoehoned to batch file the compilation process

It's a credit to the Processing folk that their IDE moved smoothly to a whole different language, but it's still pretty much the same editor/etc...

not really, its a wonky bad IDE editor that processing people bi+ch about, processing crew make apologies  for and man its a text editor, didnt we figure that out a long time ago?

I'm not wildly enthusiastic about Eclipse.  The "getting started project" for the MSP430 Launchpad (which has an eclipse-based IDE) was still setting up Eclipse parameters when Arduino users were staring happily at a blinking LED.  It's REALLY HARD to be both "powerful" (according to experience engineers) and "simple" (for new users) at the same time.

neither am I, but really honestly, there are better solutions out there that do not mandate "HARD CORE" nor "MOSTLY WONKY" for text editors

and since there are better solutions, and no ties to processing other than connecting to the editor do we need "somewhat" broken basic text editing in 2010?


just wait, I am almost at a 50% mark not even trying making a better IDE that does everything the "ide" does but doesnt fk-up, is not bloated (by over 100MB on the windows version and by 2mb on *nix versions ) and has some "advanced" features (like OMG replace) and is cross platform capable on LUA which is neither java C

why? cause in the end the process has nothing to do with much of anything but "dur text editor" + batch file

[[glow][size=18]arduino is NOT JAVA![/size][/glow]]

So I guess what I'm hearing is that there is a core group that cannot "grok" the need for the legacy connection to Processing and it's limp interface standards and would prefer it if we had something like AVRSTUDIO with Arduino compatibility?

what your hearing form me is there is zero reason to tolerate the wonky ide other than thats what they want to use, there is no technical reason that it could not be done any number of ways becuase it has no ties with processing

(note: My attitude about processing is that both Arduino and Processing are essentially simplified Java... that's why I see so much similarty.)

yea but [glow][size=18]arduino is NOT JAVA![/size][/glow] its c / c++, its compiled against a gcc compiler, you can write plain up avrgcc code and it doesn't care, you cant write however

Code:

List<String> ls = new ArrayList<String>(); // 1

@ OSGELD... to my silly eyes... I see WAY more commonality between Processing and Arduino than differences... so, while I understand that you do not...  it leaves me confused that you feel that way.

because other than the ide and the 2 callbacks there is zero connection between the 2, heck remove the IDE and it can be brotherhood to LOVE2d or any other simplified scripting system

I have been spending A LOT of time in processing trying to get it nailed down, the only connection I feel tween the 2 is the somewhat irksome IDE. I do not think of processing for physical computing, like I dont think of arduino for crossplatform and web multimedia development

yes you can combine the 2, but you can combine arduino with anything, I can go into the windows command interpreter right now, and with a batch file watch the serial port and have windows do actions based on data from the arduino, I wouldnt say "based on windows" though  

if you look at the arduino IDE source there is even very little to do with processing there, yes it ties into the IDE a little, it has to to make it work together, but again this is all done in vanilla java, the meat and potatoes of what happens could in theory be made in a (large and pita) batch file, as its just compiling the "core" frosting layers of code along with avrgcc

it uses the work of the processing developers for the user interface, its not processing, it doesn't tie in at all (crap if it did I would be having a lot easier of a time with my current led matrix, cause instead of writing my own routines I could just use void draw() )

I can change the splash screen to say based on cheese if I want, and no, jeez man have you even used processing? its a totally different language (based on java), they share the same ide, but that ide is written in pretty much vanilla java not processing

cheese n crackers! if it was based on processing wouldnt the IDE be a pde file that anyone could mod at a whim, but NO its compiled java

I will concede that yes the IDE is based on 1 PART of processing, but it has nothing to DO with processing, its like arguing that taco's and cheeseburgers are identical cause they are both cooked ground beef

 

(and no I dont count the void setup and void loop callbacks, cause that is a common occurrence in many noobier friendly languages, and not a trait of JUST processing)

no look at them, the only thing arduino shares with processing is the IDE which is streight laced java for both IDE's

and please do tell what features are brought over from processing?

honestly you can replicate the function of the ide with a couple batch files and notepad ...

the ide is not based off of processing, its java, just like in processing, porting the functionality seems pretty trivial

also I wouldn't hate it as much if it was not so damn quirky, same with processing's ide (which is shared) and bloated

I notice it has a spot for a power switch, so +1

[relax]

honestly does it matter?

rated life of the flash is 10,000 cycles, they have been bit banged for over a mil

I have been abusing my original, first bought  328 for over a year (though I do keep a boot-loaded backup in a special bug box) including hooking it up to reverse voltage for a questionable amount of time

can "they" tell, doubtful, unless they want to burn out the chip by testing it till failure

this reminds me of apple service tech videos where handing off a pcb  to a random individual that enters the room,  renders a 1000$ logic board instant trash

course on the apple tech videos they fail to mention that it will be enclosed in a abs plasic case with a micron thin film of esd shielding inches away from a flyback transformer  :

besides they sent you the wrong board in the first place, really? how hard is it to tell a D board in a esd bag at best vs a boxed uno in the first place, your not dealing with brilliant minds

or in another word, relax