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1  Development / Suggestions for the Arduino Project / Re: Interest in overhauling the IDE user interface? on: September 01, 2012, 08:58:43 am
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...IDE is written in Java Swing...

The IDE seems to be a mixture of AWT, Processing and Swing. There also seems to be people who are "doing their own thing". I suggest you look at http://code.google.com/p/arduino/ if you have not already, as this is where you find the existing issues list and the developers mailing list; archives of this list can be seen without logging in and is updated very soon after postings.

A major direction change seems to be suggested here: http://arduino.cc/pipermail/developers_arduino.cc/2012-August/007100.html

Stay interested smiley
2  Community / Website and Forum / Reference pages distributed as PDFs? on: August 25, 2012, 05:48:18 am
There are several reference pages in the Arduino editor, in the Help menu. They are distributed as HTML pages and stored locally. Should these be distributed as PDFs?

* Images in the HTML do not show if you don't have an internet connection, and have to be fetched; they are included in a PDF
* Links do not show in a PDF (see below) but cannot be used in HTML with no connection
* A script (create_reference.pl) is used to extract and manipulate the pages from arduino.cc to 'fix' them for the reference documentation. I have not checked this, but it may have to be modified when pages change

CSS layout allows for formatting depending on screen or print view. Creating the pages on arduino.cc using this CSS may help to simplify the conversion to the reference pages and improve the layout; by using a Print Preview the page can be verified. The print can be sent to a PDF creator printer (e.g. CutePDF). Sections of the page seen on the screen view can be hidden for the print view. The URLs for links can be added as text after the link text, which could be selected and copied to a browser.

The page names would have to be changed in the code, but PDFs can be opened from the editor (I have checked this bit). I have not checked how this affects the Reference page, which would need the links but don't have images. There are currently 279 pages, and I am not sure how the extraction would be automated.

Perhaps we just need the create reference script to do more.
3  Community / Website and Forum / Re: Error in source from Download page on: August 20, 2012, 04:01:15 am
... Download page... Windows... I got them from GitHub... ?? It's the instructions on this site that I was highlighting

I was interested in the IDE interface for editing (not compiling) the sketch, so loaded it into NetBeans. Setting a few file locations, I got it to build and run (and debug) in NetBeans. I need to do a bit more work to check if it runs as a stand-alone jar file (and lots of testing).

I have cloned the repository (in NetBeans) from git://github.com/arduino/Arduino.git but only picked the master branch. There are a few other branches, but I don't know what they are for.
4  Community / Website and Forum / Error in source from Download page on: August 19, 2012, 09:45:39 am
If you look at the Download page on this site, there is a link to the source that downloads arduino-1.0.1-src.tar.gz; I did this to my Windows machine. Looking at what is included, there is only the Linux directory in the arduino-1.0.1\app\src\processing\app directory. Windows and Mac are missing.

I got them from GitHub. They should be included, or the page updated to state the source is Linux only
5  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bugs & Suggestions / Documentation web pages: font too small on: September 20, 2010, 07:18:43 am
I don't like the font used in the documentation as it is too small. There is an old topic (http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1259527175/0 here) from Nov. 2009 that I did not want to re-open.

The problem is in the CSS. I cannot change the web site, but if you have kept the web pages from the install (in the "reference" directory) and use then from the Help in the IDE, you can change your own layout. Edit the Arduino.css file; the /*... */ denote comments, your file does not have them. These are from version 0018.

Code:
body {
  margin: 0px 20px 20px 20px;
  padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
  background-color: #aaa;
  font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif;
/* Omitted from local file as text is too small...
 * font-size: 10px;
 * line-height: 15px;
 * xxxbackground: url(bg.gif)
 */
}

and to let the width adjust with browser window size,

Code:
#page {
/* Omitted from local file as it limits page width
 * width: 700px;
 */
}
6  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bugs & Suggestions / Re: More Accessible Board Branding (Names) on: September 28, 2010, 05:08:56 pm
Since quotes seem popular...

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference"

I bought my board only a few weeks ago, so I am a newbie in that respect. In terms of fitting in with the community it is important to understand that community. As well as being international, it is made up of fans - not some huge multinational corporation. This Forum is based on free, community developed software; the main site is a wiki written by the community. As such it lacks structure (and, apparently, leadership), but it has grown over a long time. To rebuild it from new would be nearly impossible.

The internet is global, and although a lot of people speak English (including those that speak American), there are a lot more for whom their native language is different. Even English has adopted 'foreign' words as a part of the language. It would be more impressive if people learned how to pronounce Duemilanove.

The board is controlled (well the name is owned) by the people mentioned elsewhere, and they have allowed the community to have a big say in what happens to the product. The Main website had a face lift at the weekend and has a new style and colour scheme. We can make suggestions, but have to accept the direction and pace of the owners. It may not be ideal, but we can hope that sensible suggestions are noticed.

I have not noticed any desire to worry about marketing - I read about the Arduino in a science magazine, I think. There are many different strategies to branding, with advantages and disadvantages. Apple is a simple name, but two companies chose it - a computer company and a record label (see, the Beatles). What followed was a battle over the name. A more peculiar name can be memorable and unique. A descriptive name like iPhone, or an odd name like Wii both have merits. Whatever your preference, it is unlikely to be changed.

I intend to help where I can - to pass on knowledge, to offer suggestions and to learn all I can about the Arduino models, the IDE and electronics in general. If people like my ideas or advice, brilliant. If not, that is their choice. The biggest help for this community is to make people welcome and to help out, so they don't become dissatisfied or feel excluded. I encourage everyone to adopt that behaviour.
7  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Frequently-Asked Questions / Re: Arduino IDE "calls home"? on: September 29, 2010, 02:30:49 am
Interesting. What does that file mean?

I am not a source code reader, presumably it can be checked.

It is of note that the web pages in the reference directory, forming the Help files, contain links to the arduino website (including the images) and others. 0019 has a link to 'addthis'. Whether there is a plan to tidy this up, I don't know.
8  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Frequently-Asked Questions / Re: How to SEARCH this forum? on: September 20, 2010, 03:04:24 pm
I think it depends on how you interpret the results. The top answer (for "cahors") is a paid for link for holiday cottages in France (try it). The right hand side is full of paid for links to holidays in France, and the bottom of the page contains related searches to holidays in France.

I think the OP is right in that the Google search does give the results as stated, but then those results need to be understood in the context of how Google presents search results; the actual results do only show this site (and yes, I do understand the difference between the browser search box - mine is removed - and the search box for the Forum).
9  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Frequently-Asked Questions / Re: Getting involved with the web site? on: September 19, 2010, 08:05:32 pm
I followed the instructions at the arduino_cc site and worked out what I need. I installed it. I ran the IDE and looked at the help. If not connected to the internet, a lot of links in there don't work as they refer back to the arduino_cc site, including the images. That is a bit messy.

Back online, and the arduino_cc site links to the Playground. There seems to be lots of links to all sorts of info - I guess I got overwhelmed by the amount - but I was looking for a simple 'what next'. I was not sure if I should look at the first site or the Playground.

The forum - software - bugs... seems to cover too much. I read some comments about the website (font size is a css thing, not a browser setting) but they are hard to find in the long and varied list.

If I wanted to add stuff I learn, create or whatever, I started to wonder where to put it. I was disappointed that there is no obvious message about helping out, nor a list of things that need doing. I also looked at the Web/Forum/Email/Spam section, but it did not have a bit for the Web.

In the end I put this comment in the FAQ, as I thought a question about helping was more general than the website. I figured someone would point out where I should have put it, but it still seems confusing (IDE and 3 web sites with common stuff across them). I did try; I assume someone with less patience might give up.

10  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Frequently-Asked Questions / Getting involved with the web site? on: September 19, 2010, 11:22:52 am
I live in the UK, and have just bought an Arduino (from Radio Spares). It all works, and I get the flashing LED (blink) as suggested I should. I now want to do more; I used to fiddle with electronics a long time ago.

I find this site a bit messy, and these have passed through into the reference link in the IDE. I don't want to moan about it, I want to help fix it. I have found a few posts in the Forum on the same thing - I am concerned that this might put off new people.

Is there an easy way to get involved to help tidy up the web site? It might be good if there was a section / board devoted to doing this. Are there specific skills anyone needs so they can get involved?
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