I had to take a power nap after you guys dismantled my dreams of saving the world  

Green energy = magnets and some coils , at least in my world..quick question how does a step up voltage regulator work?

what if you add some magnets to a round table/top/sheet  and on top of that a separate round top with coils .. then get the electricity coming from that and  wire it up to a step up regulator which then sends that electricity back to whatever was spinning the round top ?
but i guess that goes back to the "efficiency" of things , what about designing with superconductors
it seems to me superconductors require high temperatures :/ , i always thought it just a material that conducted extremely well.

the whole idea of quoting them was that because of  the knowledge available in their time they made some erroneous statements, times change technology and discoveries advance, could we not agree something YOU see as impossible today me be possible in the future? I cannot blame you for being a man of your time. 

They were wrong about -something, ever- so you must be right?

But your doing the same thing..quoting laws  , so i must be wrong?

those peoples views where wrong because of  "laws" they thought to be true, maybe your in the same boat

Interesting GoForSmoke didnt think about friction and all those goodies.

If you want a lot of energy what you need is a 2m receiver and about 1km of 1cm wide copper wire. Build a Dyson-Harrop satellite and it will give you 1027Watts of power. Roughly a billion, billion gigawatts.

Is that even possible? has it been tried? I mean if they can throw money to build a Hadron collider , and bail freddie and fannie  then why not throw money on something to help the earth out ..?
I shall seek funding

Hydro electric plants are not closed systems, the rely on the energi in a river or waterfall or whatever as an EXTERNAl source of energy.

I you read the wiki article posted above the difference is explained.

Yes i read the article right after i posted that

http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~fringwal/stoopid.lis

I like this one :

"Heavier than air flying machines are impossible."
   -- Lord Kelvin

"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will be
obtainable."
   -- Albert Einstein, 1932

oh well i would still like to think it is possible some how some day, obviously not by me.

wouldn't everyone have such a setup in their basement and the power companies be out of business?

no because After a while people accept it is impossible and stop trying. we would still think the world is flat if it where not for those who  beg to question the knowledge of those even smarter then him who would swear they know the solution.

how do hydro electric power plants work? I must be totally wrong in my idea of how they work? Are they connected to the grid and then making electricity? which would be stupid unless they are producing more then they consume?

physics is not really my thing..sorry if i seem irrational

Eddie, the pump is *much* less than 100% efficient as is the turbine and the generator. Some, less than 50% efficient. At each step you lose energy so where does the extra come from? Wishful thinking?

Ok, but wouldn't the gears make up for the loss of efficiency? I could get gears to turn the generators who knows how many more times then the turbine
AND  multiple generators??? all with the same pumps, heck even add another turbine ...

Since at system like this can not produce more energy than it consumes

What if I connect one single turbine to some gears the turn MULTIPLE generators at twice, or more, the speed that the turbine is going would i not, with enough generators, produce more then what the pump consumes?

yes that would be the idea, maybe somehow hook up 2 generators to the turbine or more to make more then what the pump it self needs to opperate , i need to figure out how much current the pump draws to see how many batteries i would need to satisfy it.

actually since  i was thinking of buying this rollout solar panel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLAR-Flexible-Roof-Panel-124-watt-UniSolar-/280722002063?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415c55d08f#ht_1421wt_1139

maybe use that to charge the batteries during the day time and then ...hmm not sure but i would like to integrate that as well

Hey guys I am trying to make something which I am not sure if it is possible, it seems possible to me


Im thinking of placing a submersible water pump inside of  some sort of container filled with water

the water pump shoots out the water turning a turbine , the water is then collected and poured back into the water container so i will just keep reusing the same water and not have to refill.

The now turning turbine is connected to a wind/hydro generator or maybe even better some how geared up to several generators which all will be charging some 24v batteries...

the 24v batteries series (i think) with enough batteries of course will be what powers the water pump.

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now i am thinking how to time it, or how many batteries to use or use reserve ones, where by the time one set of batteries powering the pump runs out the other set is done charging and power then switches and the dead ones begin to charge while the full ones begin to power..

generator : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wind-Hydro-Generator-24V-Generator-135-Watt-Power-10-Amperes-3300-RPM-/280756349648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415e61ead0#ht_968wt_1163

pump: http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-RUP160-6-Horsepower-Oilless-Submersible/dp/B0009X8O2E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319893827&sr=8-1

turbine : http://www.ebay.com/itm/PELTON-TYPE-WATER-WHEEL-FLANGE-AND-NOZZLE-SET-HYDRO-TURBINE-/200667965390?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb8be27ce#ht_1095wt_1163

check this out, i think im going to try it
http://cliffle.com/project/chatpad/arduino/