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1156  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Closed (ouch) or Open Hardware new Uno's ? on: September 30, 2010, 04:46:04 pm
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They can sell all the chips, they can get their hands on, but they are barred by the USB-IF rules from including the PID unless they are manufacturing the product.

As eight stated earlier, thats the standing of the USB-IF not the Arduino team, the VID/PID can only be used by the manufacturer who is licensed to the original, there is no "subleasing"

Then how can you go onto Microchip's website and apply for a free PID from them, to use with the MCP2200? Are you suggesting that Microchip, a USB-IF member, is blatantly defying a USB-IF directive?
1157  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Closed (ouch) or Open Hardware new Uno's ? on: September 29, 2010, 04:02:41 pm
Oh, for the good old universally available RS232 and LPT ports...why did computer makers ever quit making them, all we really needed was a smaller connector. A lot of chipsets actually still have them, they just aren't enabled in BIOS or wired out to anywhere.

Maybe I'll develop an Arduino that bootloads via punch cards.
1158  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Closed (ouch) or Open Hardware new Uno's ? on: September 29, 2010, 12:06:07 am
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The MCP2200 is a good chip for one off or personal use but it has known driver issues on several windows platforms. So its fine where you have control of the operating system, but it really would add a whole bunch of support issues in in a board public distribution.

Could you elaborate on these issues and where they are occurring? The MCP2200 is a CDC protocol chip, so if there is a Windows-side driver issue it should also be present with the 8u2 CDC implementation. Or at least the MCP2200 problems could be resolved by editing the INF.
1159  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Closed (ouch) or Open Hardware new Uno's ? on: September 28, 2010, 11:04:11 pm
The best solution is if the Arduino team simply allocates just one of the 65533 remaining PIDs they control, solely for use by Arduino-compatible board makers to distribute freely with the standard 8u2 firmware, and at some later date possibly to be identified as a non-official Arduino compatible device in the Arduino IDE.

It would be as easy as Massimo saying "All you non-official Arduino-like producers may use PID 0xd00d" and the fact that he has specifically addressed this suggestion with refusal implies a desire to restrict and channel the market. Which is fully within their rights as a business, however it is a distinct move away from the old policies of openness that earned them the support and respect of the community. My opinion is that trademark enforcement was enough of an effort to recapture the brand.

Giving one 16bit number away cannot hurt Arduino's current business model, but it could hurt a future business model where they desire to be more restrictive...thus the cause for the community rumblings. If this is all a misunderstanding and the Arduino team might actually allocate such a PID, then it would be a good idea to come forward with this information soon. Or if it's exactly what we think, then upfront honesty would also be appreciated.

I'm liking the cheap new Microchip MCP2200 USB-serial converter. Available in a range of footprints, comparable or better specs than FT232RL, and less than $2 in single quantities. You may use their default PID or apply for a free sublicense PID which expires when you have sold 10,000 units.
1160  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: flashing yellow light of death!!! on: October 27, 2010, 01:15:21 pm
Yes but if you talk to a game shop employee, they might refer someone who does the repairs. It's worth checking!
1161  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: is this a normal feeling on: October 27, 2010, 10:53:50 pm
Is it an LED that turns on when the room gets dark? If so...wow, I can't believe the lives that will be changed when people no longer have to stumble into a dark room!
1162  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Verifying gerbers from eagle and seeed's CAM job on: October 21, 2010, 08:07:15 pm
I've run about 450 PCBs (maybe 15 designs) through Seeedstudio and used my own CAM job that's probably pretty similar to the Sparkfun CAM job. I've always checked the Gerbers in Viewmate and the drill holes align perfectly, and I've always sent those same files to Seeedstudio and had no problems with any PCBs. But I realize that I might be OCD and align everything to 0,0 when the design is finished.
1163  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Project for School (Message me if intrested!) on: October 21, 2010, 06:35:44 pm
I'm not being abusive, just doubtful that you're the professional you claim to be. Can you really be an Arduino mentor for someone's high school final project, when less than a week ago you said:
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hey guys

i need some help

i am total n00b at electronics - i need help from 1337's like your selfs

honestly i did like 1 year in college and dropped out, thats my electronics knowledge

i can barely program (just enough to get by on arduino)

And only four days ago someone else asked for ideas for a school final project, and you responded:
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i think a gun that fires cancer would be pretty cool

I'm just trying to save the original poster some time.
1164  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Project for School (Message me if intrested!) on: October 21, 2010, 04:48:29 pm
Ah...that explains why I haven't seen that filter very often, professionals don't use it.
1165  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Project for School (Message me if intrested!) on: October 21, 2010, 04:36:05 pm
No one knows what crappity smacking is, and you're not coming off as a professional either.
1166  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Project for School (Message me if intrested!) on: October 21, 2010, 03:15:31 pm
They're looking in the wrong place, for sure.
1167  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Why is it... on: October 19, 2010, 10:50:57 pm
Yes, the PIC10F2xx series in SOT23-6. Not only are they extremely tiny (almost fit within diameter of typical DIP solder pad), but they're actually available and have been for a long time. The ATtiny4 was announced like a year ago, and as far as I can tell has pretty much never been stocked at any distributor. The PIC10F series also uses the same ICSP interface as every other PIC chip, unlike Atmel introducing the TPI interface for the Tiny4, along with PDI for Xmega, plus ISP for everything else.

I put about 5,000 PIC10F202's to work for someone's art project during the Winter Olympics: http://www.tangibleinteraction.com/gallery/seed_truce


The low power performance of these things is amazing. I have some of those devices sitting on my shelf that are still blinking, 8 months later, off the original CR2032 battery.

I'd love to see a Microchip+AVR Arduino. DIP PIC18F for all through hole, or SOIC MCP2200 for a no-programming FTDI/8u2 replacement.
1168  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: Why is it... on: October 19, 2010, 12:52:27 pm
It's entirely possible to have a DIP USB-TTLserial solution. You can get USB PICs in DIP, and Microchip provides a a CDC implementation.
1169  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: How Would I Get This Made? on: October 13, 2010, 12:47:01 am
Totally possible if you're skilled at designing parts for injection molds and have a few tens of thousands of dollars lying around. Plastic parts are only cheap if you are making a really large number of them...on the order of the number of Arduinos ever produced, maybe.
1170  Forum 2005-2010 (read only) / Bar Sport / Re: "Directional Switch" Design on: October 12, 2010, 08:36:18 pm
A flipflop circuit is nice but will be plagued by contact bounce.

A switch could detect direction of motion by dragging a probe on the side of the drawer, closed only during drawer close. A simple cam could close and open another switch at the correct times.
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