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Title: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 18, 2012, 04:20 pm
I noticed that Karma is back.
Is it here to stay?
Best regards
Jantje

PS please increase my karma  ]:D
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: cmiyc on Sep 18, 2012, 04:23 pm

PS please increase my karma  ]:D

I actually wondered how long until someone asked that. 

Have to admit, much sooner than I expected.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 18, 2012, 04:24 pm
Here's a Karma+ for noticing 8)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 18, 2012, 04:25 pm
Whoa, look at that: 57, and I haven't even done anything yet!
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 18, 2012, 04:41 pm

Whoa, look at that: 57, and I haven't even done anything yet!

With 12000+ posts you have done quite a lot.
And to me you deserve 58 Karma.

Best regards
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: DuaneB on Sep 18, 2012, 04:45 pm
Sorry, but I need to post to see if I have any Karma ?

Duane B
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: DuaneB on Sep 18, 2012, 04:46 pm
No ! none ! not even 1 !

Duane B
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 18, 2012, 05:06 pm
You've done  lot with your laptimer project - Karma+ for you too!
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 18, 2012, 06:28 pm
I think you also deserve a Karma for the RC stuff.
Best regards
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Sep 18, 2012, 07:20 pm
Karma is back? That didn't end well the last time they implemented it (remember the + Vs - feedback wars going on?). Kind of fun for awhile but too many people took it all to serious and the grief wasn't worth the value in my opinion. But I will take my 81 karma points in the spirit they were given.  ;)

Don't yet see where you give karma out in new posts? Perhaps this is just a site hick-up to go along with the very slow response time we are getting over the last week or so?

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 18, 2012, 07:39 pm
Lefty
Click on the green plus under karma to give karma.
I think you can only give karma (and not take it away)
It's like in facebook. there is only "I like"
And congratulations on your 82 karma
Best regards
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Sep 18, 2012, 07:47 pm

Lefty
Click on the green plus under karma to give karma.
I think you can only give karma (and not take it away)
It's like in facebook. there is only "I like"
And congratulations on your 82 karma
Best regards
Jantje


Got it, and karma back to you. Heard a rumor that those getting to 100 karma get a free Arduino Due?

Lefty

Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 18, 2012, 08:05 pm

Got it, and karma back to you. Heard a rumor that those getting to 100 karma get a free Arduino Due?

Txs  8)
I can confirm the rumor (is actually a rumor).
]:D
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: AWOL on Sep 19, 2012, 12:20 am
Why bother?
What good does it do?
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 19, 2012, 12:45 am

Why bother?
What good does it do?

What good does "I like you" do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk6r41zbNJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk6r41zbNJc)
My brains say nothing but I can't help smiling when I hear him say "I like you".

I like you
Jantje


Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Constantin on Sep 19, 2012, 01:44 am
Karma = mutual admiration society?

Well, I hope it does something useful.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Osgeld on Sep 19, 2012, 02:03 am
nothing at all  :P
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: cmiyc on Sep 19, 2012, 03:29 am

Karma = mutual admiration society?

So it is the same as LinkedIn?


Well, I hope it does something useful.

Hey, that's the reason people get a LinkedIn account... ;)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Constantin on Sep 19, 2012, 03:32 am
OK, so you just made my day. Thanks! :)

And there I thought LinkedIn was useful... until I got hammered by their latest 'offer' to fork over gobs of cash just to connect with people I already know. Weird business model.

Oh, and I have Karma. Yay!
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 19, 2012, 08:50 am
Oh, no! Not Karma again! What does it mean?

How do you get it? Some people have a green + next to theirs, I don't.

If it's some sort of "I love you" thing I will probably rate pretty low these days because I keep moving posts around and demanding that people supply more information. Oh yeah, and post their error messages. And their circuits.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 19, 2012, 08:52 am
Oh I see. The "+" is an "applaud" button. Ach. And what if someone is a nuisance? Is there a "piss off" button?
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: dxw00d on Sep 19, 2012, 08:52 am
You don't see a cross against your own name, so you can't give yourself Karma.

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Is there a "piss off" button?


That wouldn't be politically correct. We can only give positive reinforcement messages.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 19, 2012, 08:59 am
"We can only give positive reinforcement messages. "
Yeah, like "I'm positive you need to post your code if you want help!" 8)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 19, 2012, 09:01 am

That wouldn't be politically correct. We can only give positive reinforcement messages.


Whilst I understand the sentiment, surely there can't be Good, without Evil?
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 19, 2012, 09:10 am
Nah, just bad moderator, worse moderator!

Off to bed ...
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 19, 2012, 09:12 am
Good point. They need a "complain about this moderator" button. Enough people would want to use it. ;)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 19, 2012, 01:28 pm
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Karma = mutual admiration society?
Well, I hope it does something useful.

Oh, it does. On another forum, it helped weed out the know-it-all users who didn't.

edit: Those users will not like this at all. Too bad. To put it in computer programming terms:
lots of posts != lots of help
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 19, 2012, 01:56 pm

Good point. They need a "complain about this moderator" button. Enough people would want to use it. ;)

I think that would be a great idea only if.... it costs a major amount of karma for each complaint and you can't go negative in karma.
The advantages are :
Newbies can't complain about moderators as they do not yet have karma. Basically give them the message "learn the forum before complaining"
Complainers will run out of karma soon.
People with little karma (who care) may think twice.

I think this is something to think about.

Best regards
Jantje

Ps to stay positive:(http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/ambitiondemotivator.jpg)
[EDIT]
Image is sourced from http://despair.com (http://despair.com). For those with a sense of humor and need a laugh; watch the video's http://spin.despair.com/video/ (http://spin.despair.com/video/)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: chiva on Sep 19, 2012, 02:09 pm
I talked to dcuartielles yesterday, and told me they had a new webmaster, but he shouldn't had turned on karma, so it might go away in any moment.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 19, 2012, 02:13 pm

I talked to dcuartielles yesterday, and told me they had a new webmaster, but he shouldn't had turned on karma, so it might go away in any moment.

Oh crap. Now we go back to guessing who knows what? Only know-it-alls who don't will not like karma.

edit: The other forum I frequent has administrators and moderators excluded from karma. Only regular members can get karma. That way you moderators do not have to sweat this like some seem to be doing.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 19, 2012, 03:54 pm
What - me worry?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Mad30.jpg)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 19, 2012, 04:07 pm
@CrossRoads: I didn't think you would be worried, and you shouldn't. I don't think any moderator here has anything to worry about with karma. The moderators here are normally very helpful, but they should be.

I think it is a good idea to exclude administrators and moderators from karma. Their jobs are to administrate and moderate.

Just my opinion.

Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 19, 2012, 04:11 pm
But we moderators (and maybe the admins) have ego' s too, a little karma is good for the soul :)

Like chicken soup, or something like that ;)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 19, 2012, 04:16 pm
OK. If the choice is down to everybody gets karma, or nobody, I vote for everybody. I am not afraid.  :)

Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Sep 19, 2012, 04:46 pm

Oh, no! Not Karma again! What does it mean?

How do you get it? Some people have a green + next to theirs, I don't.

If it's some sort of "I love you" thing I will probably rate pretty low these days because I keep moving posts around and demanding that people supply more information. Oh yeah, and post their error messages. And their circuits.


As you should. A 'good' moderator is like a 'good' coach where sometimes tough love is the best method to get needed improvement from your grasshoppers.  ;)

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 19, 2012, 04:54 pm
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If it's some sort of "I love you" thing I will probably rate pretty low these days because I keep moving posts around and demanding that people supply more information. Oh yeah, and post their error messages. And their circuits.

@Nick: You should rate pretty high. You are moving their posts to where they will get help. And I demand the same of the users I help. That has never stopped me from getting karma!
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 19, 2012, 05:03 pm

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If it's some sort of "I love you" thing I will probably rate pretty low these days because I keep moving posts around and demanding that people supply more information. Oh yeah, and post their error messages. And their circuits.

@Nick: You should rate pretty high. You are moving their posts to where they will get help. And I demand the same of the users I help. That has never stopped me from getting karma!


You only have 2; Well 3 now. rofl
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 19, 2012, 05:06 pm
@Jantje: Maybe you should look here:
http://forum.mikrotik.com
Take a look at the bottom of that page. There is a list of the top karma users. I'm SurferTim there also.  ;)

edit: One more time. I am not afraid. Bring it on.

If you want to know what it takes to frighten me:
http://carnegiehero.org/awardees/awardee-press-releases-1998-present/may-11-2006/#11
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 19, 2012, 11:02 pm
@surfertim
I knew you were referring to the other forum you already mentioned.  :D
Just wanted to make somefun  8)
I wouldn't know why karma would scare anyone. After all it is all virtual. What would scare me is to look a big hungry eating shark in the eye ;)
I guess -as a surfer- you know all about that.
Best regards
Jantje

PS yes I meantioned the shark because I have read your hero story with the shark. You're cool; I mean it.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: funkyguy4000 on Sep 19, 2012, 11:10 pm
I just hope that it doesn't create some sort of class thing.
I mean, its great to measure how helpful you are, but to be honest I just try my best to answer the question. 
Don't really care for karma.
It would be a shame to see peoples answers to go to waste b/c people don't take the time to give karma and so people won't trust a person with a lot of posts but few karma.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Sep 19, 2012, 11:57 pm
Just spotted it so looked over here and sure there is a thread.
I wasn't keen on it last time and I haven't changed my mind. I seem to have been given a head start. Anyway I think it can only cause more confusion because my Kama to posts ratio is very bad. Just spotted that the tongue sticking out smilie has gone as well.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 20, 2012, 12:01 am
@mike
Do you mean this one?
:P
I still have it  ]:D
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 20, 2012, 12:28 pm
I found the karma useful on the other site I mentioned when I was new there. It gave me an indication who knew what they were talking about. Now I am one of the top guys there.

I would help those who need it if they gave me karma or not. The Arduino crew could drop the karma today and it would make no difference to me. My stuff works, and I will still help.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Sep 20, 2012, 01:55 pm
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Do you mean this one?
smiley-razz
I still have it  smiley-twist
Jantje

Well you are right I still have it on my reply box on my Mac using firefox.
However I have just checked on my iPad where I made my reply from and it is still the same list icon. It didn't used to be and I haven't updated Safari. It dosn't do it on Safari on the Mac only the iPad. Odd.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Coding Badly on Sep 20, 2012, 11:20 pm

My iPad has also been having problems with the graphics on this forum.  Must be a corrupt cache.  Is there a way to clear temporary files / history?
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Sep 21, 2012, 12:44 am


My iPad has also been having problems with the graphics on this forum.  Must be a corrupt cache.  Is there a way to clear temporary files / history?



Send it back to Apple for a new $300 battery and a free tune-up?  ;)

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 21, 2012, 12:59 am

My iPad has also been having problems with the graphics on this forum.  Must be a corrupt cache.  Is there a way to clear temporary files / history?


Try: Settings -> Safari -> Advanced -> Website Data -> Remove All Website Data

Also: Settings -> Safari -> Clear History
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 21, 2012, 02:54 pm
That karma is too easy. I've gotten 3 and I don't know why. ??

You really should look at MikroTik's forum. When you give karma, it is given for a specific response on a specific topic by a specific user, and all that info is in the PM to the receiver, plus a message from the sender why the karma was given.

Also, the amount of karma you can send depends on your karma.

It is not a YouTube "like" kinda button.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Sep 21, 2012, 03:00 pm
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When you give karma, it is given for a specific response on a specific topic by a specific user, and all that info is in the PM to the receiver, plus a message from the sender why the karma was given.


Interesting, but I fear it would add to the server's load. This forum is slow enough. The dev's time is better used to maintain the servers and keep up with the ever increasing traffic :P
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 21, 2012, 03:06 pm
I cannot see where that would add that much of an additional load on the server over just keeping track of the karma count. The karma reward is a one-time deal, and it should not be as easy as a "like" button. That seems to me to be a bigger load on the server.

But the "like" button is still better to me than no karma at all.  :)

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Sep 21, 2012, 04:00 pm
Keeping track of who "liked" who, when each "like" was given, which particular reply "triggered" the "like" and a comment for each "like", plus displaying a list of all "likes" in user's profile page is not as simple as keeping a "karma counter".
Implementing all this might not a big deal either, but given the number of users, messages and posts in this forum I guess even a small increase in php and sql load could add significantly to the overall server load.

Just thinking out loud...  :)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 21, 2012, 04:06 pm
If you did keep track of all that, it would be a bigger load. I can see that.

The MT forum doesn't store any of that, just the karma count. Just like here now. But before it will increment the karma count on a user, it sends a PM to the recipient from the sender with that info, but none stored permanently in the database, except in that one PM. You may delete that from your inbox if you like.

edit: The "Give karma" there is a two step process. You click the link in the topic, and you get another page with a  form (message box) and a "Give karma" submit button.

Like I said, it isn't like YouTube.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 21, 2012, 05:31 pm
@surferTim
I gave you a Karma and I think you deserve it. Whether is is to easy or not depends on how much value you think a karma is worth. I see it indeed as a "I like that post -and I can't remember you annoying me lately"

"I like"  ]:D the 2 step process you mention. It strengthens the positive message and it allows the receiver to understand what (s)he did which was appreciated.
The current Karma implementation does not even allow the karma receiver to know which action triggered the sender.

Technically speaking I think any implementation of a 2 step process will have some load consequences.
For instance the extra mails being send (which do not get cleaned up).

But he;  don't we all like increasing scores  :D?
So I'll enjoy it as long as it lasts.

Best regards
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Sep 21, 2012, 05:46 pm
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But hey  don't we all like increasing scores  smiley-grin?


...I have to seriously think about opening a bunch of fake accounts just to increase my karma  ]:D
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Sep 21, 2012, 06:06 pm
There is one to get you started!  :D
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Sep 21, 2012, 06:24 pm
Whoa, thanks, that feels good :P

(guess why yours incresed by 1 :)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Coding Badly on Sep 21, 2012, 10:52 pm
Send it back to Apple for a new $300 battery and a free tune-up?  ;)


$300?  Are you serious?
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Coding Badly on Sep 21, 2012, 10:53 pm
Try: Settings -> Safari -> Advanced -> Website Data -> Remove All Website Data ... Also: Settings -> Safari -> Clear History


Thanks.  One of those incantations must have cleared the problem.
Title: Server load
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 21, 2012, 11:23 pm
What's to stop me giving AWOL 100 karma by just clicking his Karma button 100 times? If I can, surely it is a useless measure, because it can be abused. If I can't, it must store somewhere that my user name (or my IP address) gave someone Karma. So, that's extra load. And extra load to check, for every poster, whether they can increase the Karma of every other poster.

And once I give Karma to one person, how long until I can give it again? An hour? A day? A second? More computations.

I just don't think it measures anything useful. Someone here may be an expert on something obscure (eg. UDP packets) and post occasionally, when they can say something useful. But when they post they give good advice. They might have low Karma. Others may post a lot but just ramble, but have a few friends that boost their Karma, like a mutual-admiration society.

For me the post count is a useful guide. Someone with lots of posts has, at least, hung around the forum long enough to hopefully know something about the Arduino, or at least where to find things out, or where another thread might be that would help someone.

For people with few posts, you can still respectfully read what they have to say, and if they seem to know what they are talking about, follow their advice.

So I don't see what Karma adds to all of that.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Sep 21, 2012, 11:50 pm
You can, will supposedly take you 100 hours, with 1 hr limit between karma clicking.

Not that he doesn't deserve  it (and you also) as two of the  busiest moderators keeping posts in the right forums & stuff.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Sep 22, 2012, 12:16 am

You can, will supposedly take you 100 hours, with 1 hr limit between karma clicking.

Not that he doesn't deserve  it (and you also) as two of the  busiest moderators keeping posts in the right forums & stuff.

If we do it with 10 we can do it in 10 hours :-)

PS there is no time delay when not using the same name. I just tested it with CrossRoads and Graynomad.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Sep 22, 2012, 01:02 am

Send it back to Apple for a new $300 battery and a free tune-up?  ;)


$300?  Are you serious?



It must be, you read it here on the internet.  ;)

 About this Karma thing. About the only thing more useless then the karma count is the long posting threads it causes after it's activated, as this one it likely to become. Someone should find the long thread created the last time it was implemented here, that time with plus and minus karma counts shown. It was quite funny following that thread but had the equivalent value of a delay(max long integer) time sink. But thankfully someone killed it before the rollover happened.

Actually that might be the best solution for the Karma counter, just make it an unsigned byte that will roll over, so even a karma count of 0 won't mean anything significant.  8)

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Sep 22, 2012, 02:09 am
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About the only thing more useless then the karma count is the long posting threads it causes after it's activated


causing even more load on the website
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: 3dprinter on Sep 26, 2012, 04:08 pm
<resigned sigh ....>
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Coding Badly on Sep 28, 2012, 08:18 am

Uh oh.  Looks like I've done something terrible...

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An Error Has Occurred!
Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours.


I wonder if that docks my karma.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: nickgammon on Sep 28, 2012, 08:30 am
"1 hours"?

Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Coding Badly on Sep 28, 2012, 08:32 am

Me thinks a programmer got lazy.  Tsk.  Tsk.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Sep 28, 2012, 08:33 am
print "Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hour"
if (config.hoursToWait > 1) { print "s"; }
print "."
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Pedro147 on Oct 14, 2012, 02:02 am


I keep moving posts around and demanding that people supply more information. Oh yeah, and post their error messages. And their circuits.


It is a thankless task being an online cyber policeman Nick. Keep up the good fight I say
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: MichaelMeissner on Oct 17, 2012, 11:56 pm
I haven't dug through all of the old posts on this, but it might be nice to know when we get new karma points, much like occasionally I see popups for replies in threads I've posted to (but not always).  Even nicer to know what thread people were reading when they decided to give me karma points.  I don't care who gave me the points, but it would be nice to know which of the current threads people feel I'm being helpful.  But I can see how no matter what you do, it is open to people trying to game the system.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Oct 18, 2012, 03:09 am
Game the system? I don't think you can karma yourself, only other people.

The popups do seem a little random at times.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Oct 18, 2012, 06:14 pm
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Game the system? I don't think you can karma yourself

No but you could set up another account to do the karmaing if you actually cared that much about it.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Oct 18, 2012, 08:51 pm

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Game the system? I don't think you can karma yourself

No but you could set up another account to do the karmaing if you actually cared that much about it.

With your karma of 128 and this statement I get suspicious  ]:D
Have you tried? ]:D

Best regards
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: 3dprinter on Oct 18, 2012, 10:13 pm
Grumpy Mike deserves all the Karma he can get. There - I just gave him another.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: funkyguy4000 on Oct 19, 2012, 01:36 am
Dun forget CrossRoads and JamesC45
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Oct 19, 2012, 09:37 am


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Game the system? I don't think you can karma yourself

No but you could set up another account to do the karmaing if you actually cared that much about it.

With your karma of 128 and this statement I get suspicious  ]:D
Have you tried? ]:D

Best regards
Jantje


The clue was in the "if you cared " bit
Most of that Kama was from last time where I had 80 something positave and an equal ammount of negitave giving me an overall Kama of zero.
The problem is there is no feedback mechanism so it can't affect your behavoure because you don't know what you did right or wrong.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Oct 19, 2012, 10:30 am
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The problem is there is no feedback mechanism so it can't affect your behavoure because you don't know what you did right or wrong.


IOW Karma is useless... :P
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Jantje on Oct 19, 2012, 11:03 am
@Grumpy
I noticed the "if you actually cared". I was only joking. From previous encounters I would say you know; but I have the impression others do not.


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The problem is there is no feedback mechanism so it can't affect your behavoure because you don't know what you did right or wrong.


IOW Karma is useless... :P

I agree that this makes Karma useless as a learning tool to the receiver.
It still shows you how much your positive actions are appreciated. You do not have a clue on the negative ones. And you also have to take into account the possibility of "I don't give karma to this **** who posted 2 days ago an anoying answer"
It is however a tool to be used with caution for the newbee who can use the Karma (in combination with the number of posts) to get an idea of how thrust worthy the info by a member is.
For instance: if 1 member with Karma 1 states it is A and 3 members with Karma 20+ say is is not A; I would know what to believe.

Best regards
Jantje
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: marcello.romani on Oct 19, 2012, 11:49 am
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It is however a tool to be used with caution for the newbee who can use the Karma (in combination with the number of posts) to get an idea of how thrust worthy the info by a member is.
For instance: if 1 member with Karma 1 states it is A and 3 members with Karma 20+ say is is not A; I would know what to believe.


Maybe I'm just being overoptimistic, but I usually feel like I can tell "good" responses from "bad" ones by just reading them in context, and possibly looking at a few other of either author's posts (and yes, the number of posts is relevant).

But I agree that used with caution, as you suggest, karma could be helpful to some.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Oct 19, 2012, 01:23 pm
If you want to get rid of something that is worthless, drop the "posts" number from all users. There are some here that post a lot, but have nothing to say. At least karma is awarded from others, not yourself.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Oct 19, 2012, 03:32 pm

If you want to get rid of something that is worthless, drop the "posts" number from all users. There are some here that post a lot, but have nothing to say. At least karma is awarded from others, not yourself.



Perhaps worthless to you, but at best that is a subjective opinion. If we dropped the post count how would we ever know which members are the most prolific in the site statistic page linked below? I once 'won' a $200 credit from the Arduino store for being in the top five posters at the time, so I could personally never call post counts worthless, now could I?

http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?action=stats

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: SurferTim on Oct 19, 2012, 03:50 pm
Maybe I was not clear. Quantity does not guarantee quality. Paying someone to post is not a good way to get forum participation. Not worthless to you, but totally worthless to me. Just my opinion.

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@retrolefty: I was not referring to your participation in the forum. I think you and many others do a fine job. I did not need to see your post count to tell that. Same with fat16lib. Unlike you, and even me, he has a very low post count, because his posts are quality.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Oct 19, 2012, 06:34 pm

Maybe I was not clear. Quantity does not guarantee quality.
Nor does it preclude it. I would suggest that there is no direct correlation between post counts and post quality. Karma attempts to measure one thing and post count measures something else. One is free to use such metrics, or not, as you wish.

Paying someone to post is not a good way to get forum participation. Not worthless to you, but totally worthless to me. Just my opinion.
Well it was a one time thank you from the Arduino folks and I'm pretty sure it won't be repeated ever again, at least not based on post counts. The forum was already very large with growing membership so I don't think trying to 'buy forum participation' was a reason for them doing it.

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@retrolefty: I was not referring to your participation in the forum.
I assumed you weren't. But as you did not name names there is no why that I can see if your negative attitude towards displaying total post counts is reasonable or not.  ;)

I think you and many others do a fine job. I did not need to see your post count to tell that. Same with fat16lib. Unlike you, and even me, he has a very low post count, because his posts are quality.

Well I always read the post contents before deciding if I think a posting is worthwhile or not. I just think you feel that total post counts implies something other then what it actually measures. To me the only possible implication I might take away from my post count is that I don't have a real life.  ;)

Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Oct 19, 2012, 07:15 pm
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To me the only possible implication I might take away from my post count is that I don't have a real life. 

And I'm worse it appears!  Living the hobby to the max I guess 8)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: MichaelMeissner on Oct 19, 2012, 07:18 pm

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To me the only possible implication I might take away from my post count is that I don't have a real life. 

And I'm worse it appears!  Living the hobby to the max I guess 8)

What is this 'real-life' people talk about?  8)

I've heard tell of a big blue room that some people refer to as outside.  XD
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Oct 19, 2012, 07:20 pm
Real-life - I think that's the job that pays for the hobby  ]:D
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Oct 19, 2012, 07:22 pm

Real-life - I think that's the job that pays for the hobby  ]:D


Not if one is retired, then a well funded IRA does the heavy lifting.  :D

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Oct 19, 2012, 07:25 pm
Got a ways to go for that still - maybe when the kid is out of college, in 5 years.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: MichaelMeissner on Oct 19, 2012, 07:26 pm

Real-life - I think that's the job that pays for the hobby  ]:D

It depends, those of us that work for big organizations (corporations, governments, etc.) can often times feel that work is just another virtual universe which has its own rules and regulations, that might be only lightly coupled with reality.   $)

I recall when I first entered cube-ville many years ago, I thought there should be a big pile of cheese at the end of one of the cubes, because I felt like a rat in a pysch. experiment.  8)
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: funkyguy4000 on Oct 19, 2012, 09:57 pm
Not to be off topic but is there any advice from the ones that have been in the industry for a while that you could share with a student who is studying to go into the industry soon?
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: CrossRoads on Oct 19, 2012, 10:23 pm
Work hard & don't disappoint the boss. Don't lie. Learn from your mistakes. Don't abuse phone & internet access if you have it.  And yet, enjoy what you're doing.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: retrolefty on Oct 20, 2012, 12:23 am

Not to be off topic but is there any advice from the ones that have been in the industry for a while that you could share with a student who is studying to go into the industry soon?


If you really enjoy the work that is the single best thing that will get through a whole lot of random stuff you will come across in industry, like abusive bosses (they come and go, don't freak out if you randomly draw one for awhile, that too will pass) and flakey peers. If it's a technical field, never stop learning even if you have to do it on your time, the tech changes to fast to sit back with only past knowledge and skills. Treat all people as you would have them treat you. Try and enjoy the journey, many of us feels it's only a one time trip.

Lefty
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: PaulS on Oct 20, 2012, 01:34 am
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Not to be off topic but is there any advice from the ones that have been in the industry for a while that you could share with a student who is studying to go into the industry soon?

Stay on topic.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: funkyguy4000 on Oct 20, 2012, 02:33 am
I usually stay on topic, although we've been having a conversation about karma for 6 pages.  Honestly what could you possibly have to talk about in the topic of karma for 6 pages?  It honestly just feels either like a post dump or little discussions that don't matter.  The entire point is in the title, karma is back.  I can't be the only one who feels like this.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: dxw00d on Oct 20, 2012, 10:22 am
I agree, this veered off into Bar Sport territory pages back.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: PaulS on Oct 20, 2012, 02:29 pm
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I usually stay on topic

I jerked your chain a little, and it came right off. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: AWOL on Oct 21, 2012, 06:06 pm
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Perhaps worthless to you, but at best that is a subjective opinion. If we dropped the post count how would we ever know which members are the most prolific in the site statistic page linked below? I once 'won' a $200 credit from the Arduino store for being in the top five posters at the time, so I could personally never call post counts worthless, now could I?

http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?action=stats


The "Top Topic Starters" statistic is somewhat skewed - moderators get a new topic every time they move a misplaced thread. Mostly I forget to delete the redirection topic, so posts build up, which is why I'd like to see the redirection threads auto-destruct.

(I got a freebie too for being  a "top 5" poster, but because the award was completely out of the blue and not advertised, it can't be deemed an "incentive")
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: funkyguy4000 on Oct 21, 2012, 07:29 pm
I honestly completely forgot that there was an arduino store.  I've always bought my arduino stuff from distributors in the US
Title: Re: Karma is back
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Oct 25, 2012, 12:38 pm
Back on the subject of Kama.
How come that one of the most "challenging" posters has got a Kama of +1?
Makes no sense.

He is challenging in that his language ability or his intellect make it imposable to help him.
Surely that tells you the value of Kama.

Can you guess who he is Nick  ;)