Here it is 100% legal to download and watch movies and listen to music
As it is in most jurisdictions, as long as you make adequate recompense to the owner of the work.Apple have been running such a service for years.
1. It shall be permitted to use free of charge the work, which has been already disseminated for purposes of private use without the permission of the author. This provision does not authorize to build constructions according to other authors' works in the field of architecture and architecture and town planning, and to use the electronic databases constituting works unless this refers to one's own use for scientific purposes, which is not related to any profit-gaining activity.2. The scope of the private use shall cover the use of single copies of the work by a group of persons staying in a personal interrelation with each other, including in particular blood relation, kinship or a social relationship.
Also, to those of you that are very anti-piracy: Ever used a VCR?
Quote from: iyahdub on May 16, 2012, 10:07 am Any other argument that says the rightful owner should be ripped off doesnt make sense.Yes, but the other side of the coin is, the rightful purchaser being ripped off.For example, I bought Diablo 3 yesterday. Paid full price. Have an official box and everything. Even posted a photo of the mascot I got with it. But because of the DRM I can't play it. It took an hour of "server busy" before I could "connect" ... to a server for a single-player game. Then after playing for a while I get random "disconnected from server" during gameplay. But I shouldn't need a server. One quest I tried 5 times and every time got disconnected at the completion, and thrown back to where I was before. Another quest I just can't complete.This is the consumer being ripped off, not the owner of the digital "rights". But what do they care? I've paid for it. The money's in the bank.The notion that the owner of the copyright is "in the right" and the purchaser is "guilty until proven innocent" violates various principles of law that we have fought for 1000 years to establish.
Any other argument that says the rightful owner should be ripped off doesnt make sense.
You are not being ripped off... for a multitude of reasons. The biggest is that the software was provided to you 'as is' without any warranty, ie. caveat emptor, and yet you chose to purchase it.
QuoteAlso, to those of you that are very anti-piracy: Ever used a VCR?Yes, I did. Your point is?
I think the word "piracy" needs to be carefully defined.If I own a VCR (or more likely these days, a hard-disk recorder) and record a program, either a sports event, the News, or some movie, and then watch it at a time that suits me (perhaps I do shift work, or have guests that evening) then so doing does not deprive the TV network, or anyone else, of a single dollar.Compare to, say, a book. Once bought I can read it when I like. Now if a TV channel screens a movie, obviously it has to be screened at a particular time, that time may not be convenient for the consumer. There is no harm in time-shifting. It might be different if I then gave the video to friends to watch it, but really that is no different to lending my book to friends, and no-one would argue that lending a book to a friend is pirating the book.
A VCR is a device for piracy. It allows you to make illegal copies of movies and TV programs.
You are also making an illegal copy of a copyrighted work, and making that available to others (if you allow friends/family members to watch with you).
QuoteA VCR is a device for piracy. It allows you to make illegal copies of movies and TV programs.Possibly true, but it also allowed me to make legal copies of films and TV programmes.Time-shifting is entirely legal in the UK, under a specific exclusion in the copyright act. You are free to watch as many times as you like, but you are not allowed to retain indefinitely. Ad-skipping is also entirely legal. During the period that I owned a VCR, I bought a couple of hundred pre-recorded tapes, but only a few blanks for time-shifting. I also had a Hard-disk/DVD recorder for a while, and I don't recall ever burning a DVD with it, but it meant I could replace two boxes with one. Now I have a Sky+ box (like a Tivo). Its entire purpose, above a basic satellite receiver, is time-shifting. We record stuff, we watch it at a time that suits us, then we delete it. My partner likes to watch history programmes. I can't stand them. She records them and watches while I'm at work. It's all perfectly legal, and the platform is sold for that usage model.QuoteYou are also making an illegal copy of a copyrighted work, and making that available to others (if you allow friends/family members to watch with you).No. I'm not, and if my family and friends want to watch, that's still just as legal as it would have been if they were here when the programme was originally broadcast.
I think diesel is too expensive, but I don't drill into the tanks of the petrol station
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