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Far-seeker


I found this interesting. The fastest CPU isn't always the best one for a particular job.
An iPhone 4S has four times the CPU power of Curiosity


That's an interesting link, thanks for sharing.:)  IMHO, it sums up the bottom line for both the threads original question and this minor digression; the vast majority of designs use what will work (and hopefully work well) for their intended purpose, not "technology for technology's sake".

Chagrin

The iPhone has a general purpose OS; I highly doubt the Curiosity has the same. When you're writing firmware for something like a space probe your code will be very specific to the task with each clock cycle carefully accounted for.

pito

Every mcu manufacturer would be very happy to have a chance to produce 8bit microcontrollers @2GHz speed, indeed..  :)
The maximum speed of a CMOS chip is mostly determined by the fabrication process. Popular indication of the fabrication process is a value in nm (nanometers) - this is the finest geometry detail they can draw/place on the chip (mask). Big cpu makers are today at 28-32nm, the limit for silicon technologies seems to be something around 14nm.
Atmel arduino like atmega chips are mostly 350nm process, some maybe 210nm. Microchip does 150nm with their pic32mx series, stm32f407 (discovery kit) are 90nm. The smallest the nanometers number the higher frequency the chip can run. The bigger the nm number the cheaper the process. So one chip to produce at 350nm is maybe 500x cheaper to produce than 32nm one. With 32nm you can go @10GHz, with 350nm maybe 100Mhz (ideal situation, not taking into account the chip schematics and wiring too much). The smaller the process the less power it takes at the same frequency. Therefore ie stm32f4 @168Mhz has got lower power than pic32mx795 @80Mhz.
If atmel decides to go 32nm with atmega328p, they can reach 2GHz easily, but it would cost them a LOT of money. MCU makers would tell you to sell their chips is very difficult today, so they are not too much keen on such technology moves.. :)
Btw I have several 8pin chips in my junkbox running internaly @5GHz.. :)

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the smaller the nanometers number
...the lower the yield per wafer.
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pito

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Aug 14, 2012, 08:28 pm Last Edit: Aug 14, 2012, 08:53 pm by pito Reason: 1

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the smaller the nanometers number
...the lower the yield per wafer.

the smaller the nm number the higher number of dies (chips) on the same wafer (ie 350nm -> 32nm means 120x more chips from the same wafer size)..
BTW they talking about 450mm wafers today (not in atmel probably) - that is 150.000mm2 area, provided one atmega328p is 9mm2 (350nm fab) you get ~16.000chips, with ~40% yield ~7.000 chips from one wafer - not a bad business actually :)

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