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sbright33

What kind of module can detect RF from a cell phone?  It's OK if it also detects other RF too, a false positive.  It does not need to be sensitive.  I'd like it to work up to 5ft away.  Would be great if it had an output which goes high when there is a signal.  This way I could use Arduino to differentiate between a burst of data like an SMS compared to a voice call.  I do not need to know the frequency.  Extra credit for a rough signal strength, 2-3 levels.  Links please?  I've tried Googling mostly I get stand alone units. 
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retrolefty

Something like this maybe:

http://www.analog.com/en/rfif-components/detectors/ad8312/products/product.html

And it's datasheet: http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD8312.pdf

Analog Devices make great chips for the RF and linear market. Here is a list of RF detector chips:

http://www.analog.com/en/rfif-components/detectors/ad8312/products/product.html

Lefty

Boffin1

In my experience, almost anything with a speaker or earphone will detect a cellphone operating nearby :-)

retrolefty


In my experience, almost anything with a speaker or earphone will detect a cellphone operating nearby :-)


Not here, I have lots of ham radio and other stuff with speakers and I wouldn't tolerate it if cell phone noise came through them. But then again I'm in the northern hemisphere, so perhaps things are different here, like with toilet swirl direction?  :D

Lefy

sbright33

We've all heard it come thru our stereo speakers.  Because of the long wire?
There must be an easy way to take advantage of this issue.  Ideas?
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retrolefty

Well if you wish to experiment with simple circuits just do a search on 'signal strength meters'. The simple ones are usually just based on a simple diode detector circuit. Radio hams have been building and using them for decades. Here is one example:

http://electroschematics.com/622/field-strength-meter-2/

Lefty

sbright33

Would this circuit be sensitive enough from a few feet away from a cell phone?
I bet it is easier at HF frequencies.
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Chagrin

http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-EMF-Detector/

I'd assume you would make it more directed to cell phone transmissions by using the right style antenna and probably an op amp to increase the sensitivity.

Boffin1

" I'm in the northern hemisphere, so perhaps things are different here, like with toilet swirl direction?  smiley-grin "

I think you are on to something there, we get the leftover toilet grade celphones down here :-)

I was involved with scrolling advertising machines in University cafeterias for some years , and the original method of sensing the end off each poster had a coil near the edge of the poster, and some metalic tape on the back of the poster where it should stop. ( it looked really horrendous )

Whenever they complained about the poster stopping half way, the tech would go out after hours and all was fine, so I went there during the day , and all the students were messaging on their phones at the tables around the scrollers !

I changed it to an optical system and it was fine.

sbright33

Can anyone verify this is sensitive enough from a few feet away from a cell phone?  I think this is what I need!
Simple...
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retrolefty


Can anyone verify this is sensitive enough from a few feet away from a cell phone?  I think this is what I need!
Simple...


I think that is part of the experimental part of the project, only you will be able to verify that. I don't see how anyone else could verify it. A cell phone puts out between 2 watts and a few milliwatts depending on the distance to the nearest cell tower.

Lefty

sbright33

I understand that it is my responsibility to build it and test it.  But I'm traveling right now and I need to estimate costs for the project so I'm asking for help.  I need to order the needed parts, so far none.  Not for someone to verify it.  Just your thoughts.  Will it work at all for my application?  If I need more sensitivity an LM358 will be more than enough?  Thanks for your help so far!
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retrolefty


I understand that it is my responsibility to build it and test it.  But I'm traveling right now and I need to estimate costs for the project so I'm asking for help.  I need to order the needed parts, so far none.  Not for someone to verify it.  Just your thoughts.  Will it work at all for my application?  If I need more sensitivity an LM358 will be more than enough?  Thanks for your help so far!


Well as cell phone use microwave frequencies I would at a minimum try and find a suitable diode and transistor rated for such frequency, as I'm sure those shown are just not very effective at cell phone frequency. Note also that such 'field strength' meters are not frequency selective without additional front end filtering so will respond just as energetically to cordless telephones, garage door openers, and other common consumer RF generators.

Lefty

sbright33

I was hoping to use the instructable link above with only a single resistor?  Maybe 2ft away without Op amp?
I understand the power output of a cell phone varies with distance to the tower.
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retrolefty


I was hoping to use the instructable link above with only a single resistor?  Maybe 2ft away without Op amp?
I understand the power output of a cell phone varies with distance to the tower.


That method is just relying on the very high input impedance of a 'floating' analog input pin and would be better called a EMI (ElectroMagnetic Interference) detector. It will respond to all radiated electrical 'noise' above a certain amplitude, with common 60Hz AC house power wiring probably being the biggest detected signal. However that doesn't mean it won't respond to cell phone RF output, and is worth a little experimentation if for no reason then it's so cheap.

Lefty

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