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Topic: Arduino + PH probe in Aquarium. Ground Loop. Please help. (Read 17356 times) previous topic - next topic

armeniki

#15
Feb 05, 2013, 02:47 am Last Edit: Feb 05, 2013, 02:50 am by armeniki Reason: 1
Hey mate,

Again, not sure why you're fiddling with the mosfet... but I guess it will be a learning experience for you.

Here's my schematic, please note that whilst it does work I do have to post the disclaimer at the end of this message.  :)

If you have any questions, please make sure you read the data sheet first:

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/6N/6N137.pdf

If still not sure, then post them here and we'll help you out.

Cheers,
Armen




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armeniki


About grounding the water of the aquarium. I think that it might be a good idea. But for safety you could use a resistor of about 1M ohm between the water and the ground. Use a large (long) resistor or use two resistors of 1M in series. The will avoid a static charge to build up.


Earthing the aquarium water has always been an interesting topic for me because on the one hand one might think it's better for the fish if any inducted electricity is dissipated but on the other hand, it is used to "cover up" a more serious problem where there is an actual electrical fault leaking current into the watter - made even worse by the fact that there is no RCD or it has failed altogether.

Before doing this, it's probably best to figure out why you have stray currents in your setup.  To do this, use a multimeter with it set to display VAC and then earth one lead and dip the other in the water.  Chances are you will see some voltage there and in reality, it's more than likely that the equipment such your pumps are causing a bit of voltage due to inductance.  This is nothing to be concerned about.  However, you must do a second test with your multimeter.  This time set it to measure current (Amperes) and then put one lead to earth and the other to water (make sure you change the leads on the meter if needed to measure A).  At this point, if you see *ANY* current flowing, you have a dangerous situation where there is actual current flowing from your tank to the earth.  You need to then find the faulty piece of equipment by unplugging things until you see no more flow.  Earthing in this situation is NOT recommended and you are only covering up a serious problem.


Cheers,
Armen


Jensen_HJ

#17
Feb 05, 2013, 11:29 am Last Edit: Feb 05, 2013, 12:44 pm by Jensen_HJ Reason: 1
I fiddled a bit more with this and as a part of my project I built another lamp from wood (it will contain the electronics, feeders and such). The light tubes are now suspended about 25 cm over the water level (compared to about 5 cm before) and the problem seems to have disappeared, even when removing the ground from the water. I still keep the ballast grounded with an extra wire dipped in the water hooked up to a 1M resistor as suggested by Krodal. With a multimeter I can't measure anything, neither volts or amps, so I guess that it's finally working here.

vrgomes

Hi armeniki,
thank you very much for your schematics. Right now I'm in search for those parts to buy them.
When I receive them all I will try to implement that.

Greetings ;)

vrgomes

Hi everyone, based on the design of the circuit that armeniki showed I have some doubts.
The capacitor C1 and C2 in 1 side takes 5v and on the other side takes ground and from that same side it goes to one pin of the 6N137. Is this correct? Also the RX and TX passes in the middle of those capacitor but they only have 2 points of contact, that RX and TX only crosses those capacitor psychically or is only because of space to drawing it?

Also the Arduiino RX must connect to stamp TX, and arduino TX must connect to stamp RX, but in the drawing the RX is connected to RX and TX connect to TX through 6N137 chips, is this correct?

Anyone can help for I be able to reproduce this solution?

Greetings.


goebish

#21
Jun 16, 2013, 06:06 pm Last Edit: Jun 29, 2013, 12:47 pm by goebish Reason: 1
Hi, has the circuit been removed from reply #15, I can't see it ?

I'm currently having the same issue (well, I guess) with Atlas Scientific Ph & Ec probes & stamps.

Readings are fine in calibration solutions but goes all the way when in the tank.

edit: looks like the problem comes from the Ec stamp or probe, if I remove it from the tank the Ph reading is spot on...

armandohg

Does anybody got this working? I am really interested in buying this but I am not convinced yet after reading the whole thread  :smiley-roll-blue:

goebish

I had it working perfectly for one week, but now the reading is off and jittery again:

(started going "mad" again on 7.Jul)
It now reports 4.10Ph when I know the real value is 6.4 ...

I've to find what's wrong in my environment.

vrgomes

Hi, by that time I have saved the circuit from post 15.
Here it is:


Can anybody help to solve this problem with a picture of the system working?
There is also this:
https://www.atlas-scientific.com/support.html

Thanks.

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