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simplex

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Let's see your Bascom AVR code to control a UAV.   Let's see your Bascom AVR code to control all the timers and relays for a hydroponic system or a salt water aquarium.  Let's see your Bascom AVR code to control a 8*8*8 LED cube.

You can do a lot of things in Bascom.
Take a look at this list of projects: http://www.mcselec.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=7&id=79&Itemid=57&limit=50&limitstart=0
see: "173 - Tricopter" - UAV

westfw

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A more fair comparison would be: Bascom AVR vs Arduino IDE

Except that people don't usually SAY "Arduino IDE."  And since Arduino is a well-chosen (by chance?) name for WWW use, hardly anyone ever needs to type "Arduino IDE" in a search engine to differentiate it.

I think that when you can drastically change the google trends results by going from "Arduino" to "Arduino IDE" to "Arduino compiler" (or "Bascom IDE"), then you have a topic that google trends is not very good for evaluating.  (this applies to the Bascom side as well.  "Bascom AVR compiler" has practically NO usage...)

simplex

The search volume for "arduino" keyword alone is puzzling.
It is much more looked for than "atmega" and sensible more searched than "multimeter" or "transistor".

arduino - 94
atmega - 2
attiny - 1
multimeter - 27
transistor - 33

see: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=arduino%2C%20atmega%2C%20attiny%2C%20multimeter%2C%20transistor&geo=US&cmpt=q

It is self evident that the ones that look for "arduino" are not interested at all in atmel AVR microcontrollers.
Strange!

westfw

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the ones that look for "arduino" are not interested at all in atmel AVR microcontrollers.
Strange!

Nah.   "Obvious" is more like it.  Arduino is aimed at people who don't know what an "AVR microcontroller" is, and don't particularly want to.


vasquo

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Dec 17, 2012, 09:18 am Last Edit: Dec 17, 2012, 09:37 am by vasquo Reason: 1
Ahhhh... this brings back memories...
Microsoft C vs. Borland C.
PBasic vs. QuickBasic
Visicalc vs Lotus 123
:smiley-mr-green:

I picked Arduino because of the easier learning curve, and the fact that it's available on OSX.
Not to mention a good number of libraries available for it.
And any C/C++ code out there, can be easily adapted for it.
Object oriented programming is also a big plus.

My other option was going AVRStudio... but that means developing on a PC/Windows - which I left years ago when I switched to OSX.

Bascom AVR ... never heard of it until just now.

@simplex: I don't know what your agenda is. But if your goal is to increase awareness of Bascom AVR, you're doing it in the wrong forum and in the wrong way. You're trying to "lift up" Bascom's profile by putting down Arduino.  Aaah ahhh... not cool. 

Arduino is more searched upon because it is marketed well.... MARKETING!!!  And I think this is where Bascom is very poor at. Like what I said, never heard of Bascom until now... while I first dabbled in Arduino back in '09. Not to mention there are lots of 3rd party companies that support, make shields for it, make libraries for Arduino, etc.... Bascom? Never heard of it, never searched for it, never googled for it... until now. Because you seem so fanatic and a rah-rah cheerleader for it. 

After some quick googling, it seems Bascom is based/founded/developed in Syria? Maybe that would explain why it's more popular in that area of the world?

Arduino was developed in Italy... I think Americans will have more affinity for Italy (and all things Italian) than Syria.

Maybe if Bascom did a better job of marketing, and attracting developers and hardware makers, it will gain more users and fans. -- but the way you're marketing Bascom on this Arduino forum (and slinging mud at Arduino) is improper and not cool.

simplex


Ahhhh... this brings back memories...
Microsoft C vs. Borland C.
PBasic vs. QuickBasic
Visicalc vs Lotus 123
:smiley-mr-green:

If you have such memories it means you are no longer young. You are 40+ at least, but likely more.
It is highly unlikely you a interested in playing with "arduino" which is a toy for kids.
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I picked Arduino because of the easier learning curve, and the fact that it's available on OSX.
Not to mention a good number of libraries available for it.
And any C/C++ code out there, can be easily adapted for it.
Object oriented programming is also a big plus.

Also this text you wrote sounds as standard advertising, pure publicity. It is self evident you are interested in selling not working with "arduino".

retrolefty

Simplex, your shtick is getting rather old and tiresome. We get your a fanboy for Bascom AVR and you feel it's the greatest software platform every made for AVR chips. And that the Arduino IDE is brain dead and not worth your time of day. So now that you have made you point of view well known here, why keep beating the same drum over and over? We need to hear different tunes from you or consider just moving on to the next forum to spread your wisdom. May I suggest the AVR section of the AVRfreaks website?

http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewforum&f=3&sid=7df154c3426fc0f09a8432878e8cef94

Lefty

pico

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Dec 17, 2012, 05:22 pm Last Edit: Dec 17, 2012, 05:27 pm by pico Reason: 1

May I suggest the AVR section of the AVRfreaks website?

http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewforum&f=3&sid=7df154c3426fc0f09a8432878e8cef94

Lefty


Now that's just mean.

I remember reading on an automotive website an annoying kid kept asking stupid questions, not listening or even reading the advice being given, and finally one guy suggested to him that to test his ignition he should put his tongue on a sparkplug while someone cranked the engine.

I thought that was the cruellest thing I'd ever come across on the Internet. Until now.
 
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simplex


May I suggest the AVR section of the AVRfreaks website?
http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewforum&f=3&sid=7df154c3426fc0f09a8432878e8cef94

That forum is moderated by a guy, Dean Camera, who works for Atmel in Trondheim, Norway. (still hope it is not you).
Take a look here for more information: http://www.fourwalledcubicle.com/AboutMe.php
Most of the messages on avrfreaks are written by him under various names (a list can be provided at request). If I go there I will just argue with him hiding behind 10 names. It is useless.

vasquo

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Also this text you wrote sounds as standard advertising, pure publicity.

That's your best comback?


No, I don't make my living on Arduino, or selling Arduino, or selling shields or whatever.
I don't have any financial gain with regards to how Arduino performs.
What I said is the truth.... and the truth hurts when Bascom can't deliver on most of these points.

I picked Arduino because of the easier learning curve, and the fact that it's available on OSX.
Is Bascom also available for OSX?   
or do you consider OSX also a "toy" ?

Not to mention a good number of libraries available for it.
Yup. Show me on github libraries for Bascom.
I did a search on github and the Bascom results are pathetic.
What libraries/subroutines are available for Bascom?


And any C/C++ code out there, can be easily adapted for it.
Object oriented programming is also a big plus.

Pffft.... need I say more. It's the truth. BASIC language will never be C++.

I learned BASIC decades ago... 8th grade.
BASIC is *great* for beginners just starting to learn programming.
B.A.S.I.C. - Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code
So you saying Arduino (C++ based) is a toy, while the Bascom (Basic based) isn't, is laughable. It's L to the O.L.


Marketing and support
What other companies makes products/libraries for Bascom?
Marketing is non-existent....
except you, the micro-skirt wearing cheerleader -- but you're giving Bascom a bad reputation.

I have no loyalties to the Arduino IDE.
If Bascom is truly better, how can you convince me, in a rational way, to jump-ship and go for the Bascom IDE.

pico


Most of the messages on avrfreaks are written by him under various names (a list can be provided at request).


Please provide the list of the various names Dean uses to write all the avrfreaks messages!

This is a request.

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kf2qd

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Dec 17, 2012, 06:09 pm Last Edit: Dec 17, 2012, 06:11 pm by kf2qd Reason: 1

And any C/C++ code out there, can be easily adapted for it.
Object oriented programming is also a big plus.

Pffft.... need I say more. It's the truth. BASIC language will never be C++.

I learned BASIC decades ago... 8th grade.
BASIC is *great* for beginners just starting to learn programming.
B.A.S.I.C. - Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code
So you saying Arduino (C++ based) is a toy, while the Bascom (Basic based) isn't, is laughable. It's L to the O.L.


Unfortunately these arguments under this heading are nothing more than Bascom isn't any good because its not C. Ford isn't any good because its not Chevy. Chinese ain't no good because its not American...

BASIC is a vey useful and powerful language that has as its parents CoBOL and ForTran. Bet you didn't know that. It was developed for calculations and output. C was developed for system development. For things like compilers and operating systems. C++ was developed to make C do the things that BASIC does.

Poorly written code in BASIC and poorly written code in C are both useless when it comes time to maintain them. Some C programmers seems to take pride in the fact they can write unreadable code. Some BASIC programmers need some training and they can write clean code.

One language is hardly better than the other. Each has benefits and liabilities. I find it much harder to remember the C syntax - and some of it seems to have been written for its terseness and nothing else...  The same aguments are also out there for Visual BASIC - VB6 vs. .NET. You are aguing over things that are purely opinion. WHile you are entitled to your opinion, lets admit that it is purely opinion and not use opinion as the basis for declaring the other guys brand as inferior.

Oh - It's not C is not a valid reason for saying another language is crap. ( might even be a benefit...)

retrolefty

Gentleman. we are now just continuing to feed the troll. Simplex did not come here to learn anything new about the Arduino platform or from it's users. He has made his point of view clear and is not going to change his POV regardless of what any of us have to say about Bascom AVR or Arduino. So what is the point of responding to his further posts? Ignore him and he will soon move on I suspect.

Lefty

vasquo

I misspoke.
I meant -
"Basic language will never be Object Oriented (like C++)"

carry on...

simplex

Dean Camera writes on avrfreaks forum using the following important names:
abcminiuser, Kartman, clawson, js, JohanEkdahl, kk6gm, alexan_e, theusch

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