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Vincent19

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The capacitor is there to turn the RTS signal into a pulse, so that when the computer brings RTS low, it briefly pulls reset low, and then the pull-up resistor charges the capacitor again, bringing reset high again.

Source : http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11637

Can anyone tell me about this ? I do not understand why it needs so. And is DTR =RTS ? My FTDI programmer are using VCC, RXD, TXD, DTR,CTS and GND pins

Thanks !

retrolefty


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The capacitor is there to turn the RTS signal into a pulse, so that when the computer brings RTS low, it briefly pulls reset low, and then the pull-up resistor charges the capacitor again, bringing reset high again.

Source : http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11637

Can anyone tell me about this ? I do not understand why it needs so. And is DTR =RTS ? My FTDI programmer are using VCC, RXD, TXD, DTR,CTS and GND pins

Thanks !


Why do you need to use DTR or RTS (yes you can use either but not both) ?

When you press upload on the Arduino IDE to upload a new sketch to an attached arduino board, the IDE needs to reset the attached arduino board so the bootloader on the board will start and communicate with the IDE to allow uploading the new sketch.

Lefty

Vincent19

Why not ? My ftdi programmer have the DTR pins and I am required yo connect it to reset pins via 0.1uF cap..but I do not know why

Grumpy_Mike


Why not ? My ftdi programmer have the DTR pins and I am required yo connect it to reset pins via 0.1uF cap..but I do not know why

Your ftdi programmer connects to the reset pin. With serial you have no connection to the reset so the designers of the arduino decided to use the handshaking pin as a reset, rather clever I thought.

Nick Gammon

RTS goes low, as shown here:



However we don't want reset to stay low, so the capacitor turns it into a pulse. Then 10K resistor then charges the cap back up and it becomes high, allowing the processor to run.
Please post technical questions on the forum, not by personal message. Thanks!

More info:
http://www.gammon.com.au/electronics

retrolefty


RTS goes low, as shown here:



However we don't want reset to stay low, so the capacitor turns it into a pulse. Then 10K resistor then charges the cap back up and it becomes high, allowing the processor to run.


And that is why a wise person said "a picture is worth a thousand words".

Lefty

Vincent19

Does that means that I only have to connect RX, TX , gnd and vcc to MCU?

Nick Gammon

Please post technical questions on the forum, not by personal message. Thanks!

More info:
http://www.gammon.com.au/electronics

Vincent19

If I never connect the DTR pins, I still can load my program to chip using ftdi programmer ?

Nick Gammon

If you don't connect the DTR/RTS via the capacitor you will have to manually reset the chip at the same time you upload a new sketch.
Please post technical questions on the forum, not by personal message. Thanks!

More info:
http://www.gammon.com.au/electronics

Grumpy_Mike

But the timing has to be right, hold down the reset, select the program from the IDE, when it says loading, count one two three, and release the reset.

knuckles

on this link it shows the reset to reset connected with a cap in between and no mention of DTR CTS etc

http://openmicros.org/index.php/articles/88-ciseco-product-documentation/124-xb4a-how-to-build-arduino-compatible

why is that different ??

retrolefty


on this link it shows the reset to reset connected with a cap in between and no mention of DTR CTS etc

http://openmicros.org/index.php/articles/88-ciseco-product-documentation/124-xb4a-how-to-build-arduino-compatible

why is that different ??


Simply a misprint on that site's pin out of the 6 pin FTDI pin out, where it says RST it should say RTS. Either the RTS or the DTR signal can be used to generate the auto reset pulse, as the arduino IDE uses both.

Lefty

Vincent19


But the timing has to be right, hold down the reset, select the program from the IDE, when it says loading, count one two three, and release the reset.

Great info!!! Will have try it . And let you know soon !

Thanks :)

john1993

dtr is preferred over rts because its much better behaved under windows.

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