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« on: March 06, 2013, 06:00:45 am » |
According to Ohm's law, when a V DC voltage is applied to a R Ohms resistor, a I current will flow through the resistor. On the other hand, I've learnt that the power that the resistor will have to dissipate could be calculated according to P=V*I. However, if I try with the following example, it seems not making sense: V = 24 VDC, R = 12 Ohm. So, I = 2 A, P = 48 W. An almost 50 W resistor... ¿¿¿??? It's too much!!! what's wrong here?
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 06:11:11 am » |
It's too much!!! what's wrong here? Why do you think that? That's a lot of current. P=I 2R ( 2 2x12 = 48), so whichever way you do the arithmetic, 48W is the answer.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 06:42:38 am » |
V = 24 VDC, R = 12 Ohm. So, I = 2 A, P = 48 W. An almost 50 W resistor... ¿¿¿??? It's too much!!!
No, it's correct. You need one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/250911320379(Although that's going to get *very* hot at full power so you should really get 100W. Maybe 150W to be safe...)
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 07:15:02 am » |
@ fungus.. YES GREAT PART... that's what the little "ears' are for.. Bolting to a heatsink.. That's the only way it can handle the 'rated' power and heatsink grease is required for best results.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 07:55:33 am » |
R = 12 Ohm
An almost 50 W resistor... ¿¿¿??? It's too much!! Yeah but 12Ohms is little more than a dead short....
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2013, 09:42:26 am » |
Yeah but 12 Ohms is little more than a dead short.... Yep and could look like a glowing heater if you used the right wire, or put it in a bulb and make some light.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2013, 09:59:33 am » |
Yeah but 12 Ohms is little more than a dead short.... Yep and could look like a glowing heater if you used the right wire, or put it in a bulb and make some light. I've seen those big resistors bolted to metal plates and to heat them up (eg. in 3D printers where they want the base plate to be hot).
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 10:02:51 am » |
Pick too small of a power rating and it will be a LER for a short time.
(Light Emitting Resistor)
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 11:54:58 am » |
(Light Emitting Resistor)  ... must remember that one
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 04:55:27 pm » |
Albuino
All other responders have basically stated that the dissipated power is indeed 48watts.
However, what you need to ask yourself is "Why do I not trust or believe calculations derived from very basic equations that I claim to understand"
This is not intended as a criticism but rather a suggestion that you need to enhance your experience in the application of theory before you replace it by intuition.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 08:21:06 pm » |
Albuino
All other responders have basically stated that the dissipated power is indeed 48watts.
However, what you need to ask yourself is "Why do I not trust or believe calculations derived from very basic equations that I claim to understand"
This is not intended as a criticism but rather a suggestion that you need to enhance your experience in the application of theory before you replace it by intuition.
Very good way to look at this. If the math is right perhaps there may be something wrong with the circuit design that needs to be looked at.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 08:33:19 pm » |
I use a couple of 10 ohm power resistors (25W each) bolted to a large piece of 6mm thick aluminium plate as a dummy-load for testing things (like motor drivers, solar panels) - in parallel they give me 5 ohms, in series 20, or just one of them gives 10.
If I put my 30V 3A power supply across one of them and crank up to full voltage the resistor gets hot very quickly as its dissipating 30 x 3 = 90W (I don't do this for long!).
The equations make perfect sense once you have hands-on experience like this. Another important realisation is that P = V x I combines with V = I x R to yield P = I x I x R
Power is proportional to the square of current - this means that high currents can be a real problem to handle - 10A is a hundred times more "heat generating" than 1A for instance (which is why fuses are very handy - they stop the wiring catching fire).
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2013, 08:11:34 am » |
Albuino why are you dropping the full 24v with the resistor? Is the resistor in series with another component in your circuit? Could you give a little detail about your project?
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 09:53:14 am » |
This might be redundant for many, but I want to point out that Power is also proportionate to the square of the Voltage. P=V2/R This is something many people learn the hard way after raising the input voltage to a linear regulator. This results in an exponential power dissipation increase just the same as increasing the current flow. What worked coolly with a 9V battery as input, now puts the regulator in shutdown after switching to a 12V supply.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2013, 10:15:14 am » |
This might be redundant for many, but I want to point out that Power is also proportionate to the square of the Voltage.
ie. Volts is directly proportional to amps. It's the law!
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