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silverfox0786

I know that Arduino schematic is open source under creative commons but the name is trademarked and copyright

i purchased a Arduino UNO thinking it was a legitimate Arduino product and what i got is a clone that you cant tell is a clone unless you really compare with a real one

its so similar to a real one right down to colour and screenprinting back and front

the main feature so far that stands out a million miles and tells me its a clone is the Polyfuse

the Legit R3 UNO has a fuse what is black with gold text 501K

and the clone has a green one with 5X5 on it

I thought I'd share this purely for people buying Arduinos expecting a legit one and getting a clone. If you know its a clone and brought it then hey that's users choice

johnwasser

Are there any other symptoms?  Does it say "Made In Italy"?
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oric_dan

There was a long thread somewheres on this forum recently about this issue. There
were some Mega boards being sold from CN at about 20% the "usual" price, and with
the exact same silkscreening, including saying "Made in Italy", as on boards sold at the
usual price. I guess they take 'open-hardware' to mean identical silk-screening.

silverfox0786


Are there any other symptoms?  Does it say "Made In Italy"?


YEP

it says it all the Italy mark, the website address everything

its pretty much identical

i will take a picture later for you to see

Jack Christensen


the main feature so far that stands out a million miles and tells me its a clone is the Polyfuse

the Legit R3 UNO has a fuse what is black with gold text 501K

and the clone has a green one with 5X5 on it


Is this in and of itself enough to declare it a clone? Might not the official boards use parts from different sources?
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retrolefty



the main feature so far that stands out a million miles and tells me its a clone is the Polyfuse

the Legit R3 UNO has a fuse what is black with gold text 501K

and the clone has a green one with 5X5 on it


Is this in and of itself enough to declare it a clone? Might not the official boards use parts from different sources?


I agree that in itself is not definitive evidence, sourcing parts do change from time to time. I go more by price, if it's significantly cheaper then most of the 'official' arduino distributors sell it for it's most likely a clone. Follow the money.

Lefty

silverfox0786

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Mar 31, 2013, 02:30 pm Last Edit: Mar 31, 2013, 02:38 pm by silverfox0786 Reason: 1
defo a clone

and yeah it was cheaper

£10 compared to maplin £24.99

here are the differences I can see circled in RED

forgot to mention in images

the RESET EN label on clone reads RESET ON







P18F4550

I'd knock 25% off the Maplin price, they overcharge for everything, So long as it works and is of decent build quality i'll but it clone or not, but i dont agree with copies being passed off as originals, it does amuse me how people will buy a cheap hardware and moan about the quality expecting it to be as good as something 3x the price.

silverfox0786


I'd knock 25% off the Maplin price, they overcharge for everything, So long as it works and is of decent build quality i'll but it clone or not, but i dont agree with copies being passed off as originals, it does amuse me how people will buy a cheap hardware and moan about the quality expecting it to be as good as something 3x the price.



hey it works and that's good for me

don't get me wrong I wasn't complaining but yes I agree maplin price is expensive so when I saw this I  was like wow that's a good price and brought it

and this thread was informative than a complain

after all I make clones myself but defo don't pass them off as legit so for me it don't matter as long as they work

I just thought having atleast 1 legit one would be good for backup and using for intricate things

but then making a clone and buying a clone is pretty much the same price


Coding Badly


Do you understand that, if a few folks don't occasionally buy legitimate Arduino products, this forum goes bye-bye?

oric_dan

Interesting, according to this page, there are at least 150 Arduino distributors.
http://store.arduino.cc/eu/index.php?main_page=sell

OTOH, if everybody buys the CN clones for 75% off, I guess the 150 all go out of business.
I have noticed that, for much of the stuff people buy from the ebay CN sites, there is
rarely any support or documentation. This model seems to work for open source stuff like
Arduino, but sure is a big PITN for most everything else.

retrolefty


Interesting, according to this page, there are at least 150 Arduino distributors.
http://store.arduino.cc/eu/index.php?main_page=sell

OTOH, if everybody buys the CN clones for 75% off, I guess the 150 all go out of business.
I have noticed that, for much of the stuff people buy from the ebay CN sites, there is
rarely any support or documentation. This model seems to work for open source stuff like
Arduino, but sure is a big PITN for most everything else.


I learned my lesson early on as I was/am a sucker for inexpensive Asian E-bay modules, sensors, switching power modules and such. If it's not clear to me from the content of the ad on how to wire it up, software requirements, etc I just won't buy it. I never assume I can get technical help from the seller. You just have to be patient and find the products that have the necessary information attached or linked to make them usable. Other then that I've never had an issue with the quality of the hardware offered and the prices are very hobbyist friendly resulting to way too many impulse buying on my part.  ;)

Lefty

oric_dan

Speaking of suckers, I bought a cheap ethernet shield [mainly as an experiment to
see what I'd get], and it doesn't have a MAC number marked on it.

silverfox0786


Speaking of suckers, I bought a cheap ethernet shield [mainly as an experiment to
see what I'd get], and it doesn't have a MAC number marked on it.



run the test sketch and see if that will bring it up

oric_dan



Speaking of suckers, I bought a cheap ethernet shield [mainly as an experiment to
see what I'd get], and it doesn't have a MAC number marked on it.


run the test sketch and see if that will bring it up

I don't know anything about ethernet. Can you point me at the sketch you are referring
to. Every sketch I've looked at requires you to already know the MAC value. Thanks.

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