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Boardburner2

I have three different instruments, thermocouple shield, 2 x DMM all using type k.
Over 0 to 200 c I get readings that vary by +- 5 degrees.
Does not appear to be systematic.

I assume this is due to differences in calibration.

I had hoped to use the DMM to better calibrate the arduino, but do not know which reference to use.
Using a ir thermometer gave errors up to 15 degrees compared to thermocouple.

Which reference is likely to be the most accurate ?

retrolefty

Boil some water and put in the thermocouple and see what readings the various meters give you, should be 212F or 100C. You might have to adjust a little for elevation is you are not at sea level but that should be a simple calculation if you google for it. And a 'ice bath' can give you a decent 32F or 0C reference to use.

Lefty

Boardburner2

At 0 and 100 they all pretty much agree,except the ir thermometer.
Over the 200 degree range they vary.
Unfortunately the critical temp is 140 deg and at that point they disagree badly.

Papa G

What are you using for your 140 degree calibration source? What sort of circuit is your shield?

MAS3

Did you connect the wires of your thermocouple directly or did you extend them ?
And if so, how did you do that ?
Have a look at "blink without delay".
Did you connect the grounds ?
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Boardburner2

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Apr 08, 2013, 11:22 pm Last Edit: Apr 08, 2013, 11:38 pm by Boardburner2 Reason: 1
Shield is based on max 31855 uses standard ,un extended themocouple with plug into proper socket on the board.

High temp uses custom amp , ADC type circuit with a lookup table, it's this I need to calibrate.

140 reference , do not have one, only things that boil at that temp appear to be toxic and unobtanium.

Edit ,please ignore th high temp reference it's not relevant yet, just need to calibrate the 31855 for now.

Papa G

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Shield is based on max 31855 uses standard ,un extended themocouple with plug into proper socket on the board.

If that's the case, I'd use it as my calibration standard.

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High temp uses custom amp , ADC type circuit with a lookup table, it's this I need to calibrate.

Good luck.

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140 reference , do not have one, only things that boil at that temp appear to be toxic and unobtanium.

Then how do you know it's inaccurate at this temperature?

Boardburner2


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Shield is based on max 31855 uses standard ,un extended themocouple with plug into proper socket on the board.

If that's the case, I'd use it as my calibration standard.

Yes I am beginning to think the same thing.

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High temp uses custom amp , ADC type circuit with a lookup table, it's this I need to calibrate.

Good luck.
Thanks I will need it , it's for a radiation pyrometer.

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140 reference , do not have one, only things that boil at that temp appear to be toxic and unobtanium.

Then how do you know it's inaccurate at this temperature?
I don't, it's just that I have 3/4 conflicting readings and do not know which to believe, one of the meters is supposedly lab grade but I am not sure on the temp range accuracy.


Papa G

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High temp uses custom amp , ADC type circuit with a lookup table, it's this I need to calibrate.


So are you okay with calibrating this now? You haven't posted a schematic diagram of this circuit.

Docedison

You might try loading your water with some common table salt. There are many references about the water solute boiling points with common ingredients available as always on Wiki.. A really great resource.

Bob
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Papa G


You might try loading your water with some common table salt. There are many references about the water solute boiling points with common ingredients available as always on Wiki.. A really great resource.

Bob


Unfortunately, that will only raise the boiling point about 3 degrees Celsius before the solution is saturated and will dissolve no more salt.

retrolefty

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Apr 09, 2013, 01:56 am Last Edit: Apr 09, 2013, 02:10 am by retrolefty Reason: 1
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140 reference , do not have one, only things that boil at that temp appear to be toxic and unobtanium.

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Then how do you know it's inaccurate at this temperature?


He doesn't know, but rather he knows that his various meters, arduino, IR don't agree at that around that temperature value.

A typical quandary, man with one watch always knows the time, man with two (or more) watches never quite sure. That is why primary calibration standards are so important and usually expensive if guaranteed accuracy is required or desired.

Lefty


Papa G



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140 reference , do not have one, only things that boil at that temp appear to be toxic and unobtanium.

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Then how do you know it's inaccurate at this temperature?


He doesn't know, but rather he knows that his various meters, arduino, IR don't agree at that around that temperature value.

A typical quandary, man with one watch always knows the time, man with two (or more) watches never quite sure. That is way primary calibration standards are so important and usually expensive if guaranteed accuracy is required or desired.

Lefty



Yep, it's a dilemma.

tocpcs

If those temperatures are in celcius, that sounds awfully close (and past) manufacturers design maximums.

Electronics derate above design temperatures.

Boardburner2

The data sheet says.

Note that the MAX31855 assumes a linear relationship between temperature and voltage. Because all thermocouples exhibit some level of nonlinearity, apply appropriate correction to the device's output data.

No kidding, for the cost of the chip why did they not do this ?
There are published tables for all the thermocouple types.
I can't use them with this chip as its already digitised the output.

I can probably knock up the same linear circuit cheaper with amps but with much more hassle.

I've been having look at other bits, borrowed aquarium thermometers , Weather monitors,etc.

Amazing, 0 and 100 they all agree but I suppose that is not too surprising.
Elsewhere though , wow some big disagreements.

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