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Pedro147

Tongue in check comment -

How much support do you think I might get if I start a campaign on the forum to ban all Fritzing circuit images? I think that they belong on the kindergarten wall.

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CrossRoads

Perhaps. Hopefully it just a starting point that will get folks into a real tool like Eagle.
At least we get some kind of drawing to go with questions.
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cr0sh

The thing is, Fritzing has a schematic editor and display; I don't know why users don't jump to the "next level" and post those...
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Pedro147

I did not know that but all I see is people posting those "pictures" When I see one of them it immediately puts me off. I must be getting old  8) I use tinycad because I haven't had the time to tackle Eagle yet
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Osgeld

yea, you breadboard it, then it makes a schematic, then a board, then you ship it off to have it made at fritzing and profit

but no one ever gets past step one
http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?action=unread;boards=2,3,4,5,67,6,7,8,9,10,11,66,12,13,15,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,86,87,89,1;ALL

What have you guys got against them? They do everything they're supposed to do just as well as "conventional" wiring diagrams : displaying a circuit. And, for electronics newbie like me, they tend to be less intimidating (i.e. they actually do the job even better). But I can read normal diagrams too :-)

What matters is the real object itself, not the way we represent it (as long as this representation is correct of course).


Osgeld

all it produces is a jumbled mess that is impossible to read other than the person that made it, and cant get it to work

and a schematic is not a wiring diagram
http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?action=unread;boards=2,3,4,5,67,6,7,8,9,10,11,66,12,13,15,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,86,87,89,1;ALL

Pedro147

I am (obviously) with you Osgeld. When I look at one it is very difficult to work out what connects to what. Anyway, what is so hard about reading a conventional circuit diagram? "It's not rocket science"  XD
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vasquo

Fritzing is like a kindergarten kid drawing scribbles on paper and saying "hey look, look, look at my pretty drawing!"


What a f*cking mess.

Pedro147

Bravo,

vasquo for Chairman of the Ban Fritzing steering committee
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cr0sh

Those fritzing "drawings" remind me old-time wiring diagrams you used to see in old Popular Science or Popular Mechanix pulp-magazines of the 1930s-1960s or so...only less well-drawn.

Some of those diagrams were nearly drafting pieces of "art"; many were very well drawn, fairly easy to understand how to assemble and solder together some tube-based device or whatnot, and clearly see how everything was put together (just grab your huge copper-sug soldering iron and kerosene heating torch and go for it!).

Rarely would you see a proper schematic, though that slowly changed over time, until by the late 1950s, it was mostly all schematics; if you read those old magazines via Google Books, you'll find some real interesting electronics and other treasures - I once found a circuit that used both tubes and an early (and expensive!) transistor in the same circuit; then there was this rapid transition in the late 60s to integrated circuits and electronics and the rest was history. What I had done was start reading Popular Science online from January 1950 onward - I stopped when Wordless Workshop was no longer published in the magazine. At some point, I need to start from the "beginning" and work my way forward - but at any rate, as I read each issue, I would "cut and save" screenshots of the articles I found interesting.

Anyway - enough nostalgia...
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Pedro147

My father was an electronics engineer in the RAAF (Australian air force) and I vividly remember my joy at reading Popular Science when it was delivered to our home monthly, The good old days  8)
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Osgeld

this is one of the last hand drawn schematics I published a few years ago, its hard enough as a schematic, can you imagine it as a frizting diagram?

http://cheesefactory.us/filecenter/ttl_binary_clock.pdf
http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?action=unread;boards=2,3,4,5,67,6,7,8,9,10,11,66,12,13,15,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,86,87,89,1;ALL

Pedro147

Nice breadboard layout Osgeld, very neat and precise. Yes there is something intrinsically satisfying about a well planed and  laid out pencil drawing.
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If I was to consider every person who does not heartily see electrons as excited states of a field whose operators transforms under the (1/2,1/2) representation of the SO(3,1) group as belonging to the kindergarden ... hell that would be a lot of people. It is not difficult either, actually this makes much more sense to me than the "point charge" view, which accounts only for the most basic proprieties of electrons.

You think this is pedantry ? Well then ... you'll allow me to feel the same thing about electronics diagrams.  Good day  :)

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