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show me a better tool than Fritzing to document your breadboard circuit. In fact for circuit diagrams (schematics) Fritzing is not the right choice.

I am a book writer and used the Fritzing "breadboard view" in my book to show the project on the breadboard. For the schematics I used Eagle CAD.

Some forum user ask why they do not step up to the next level (Eagle). You already wrote the answer:

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because I haven't had the time to tackle Eagle yet
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Some forum user ask why they do not step up to the next level (Eagle). You already wrote the answer:

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because I haven't had the time to tackle Eagle yet

My 2 cents:
The next level isn't Eagle, but some easier to learn package, like DipTrace. I learned DipTrace fairly quick, and currently I feel absolutely no need to invest (more) time learning Eagle.

By more time, I mean that I have tried to learn Eagle, only to find it counter-intuitive to use. I know it is extremely powerful and capable of doing a few things I still don't know how to do in DipTrace, but, neverthless, for someone to has electronics just as a hobby, DipTrace is more than enough. Even for most students, DipTrace will suffice.

What I REALLY miss, however, is an updated version of something like Electronics Workbench, which I used a lot back in college (in the 90s). I never took the time to learn SPICE. Too bad that NI's Multisim is too expensive.

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ban all Fritzing circuit images? I think that they belong on the kindergarten wall.

As a beginner in electronics I find the circuit images help me to wire things correctly.
To convey the circuit design to others it does also provide schematics.

It is free, easy to use, and as CrossRoads said will probably move people towards more powerful tools.
When I look at some of the posts on this site it is actually a big step in the right direction so don't knock it.
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this is one of the last hand drawn schematics I published a few years ago, its hard enough as a schematic, can you imagine it as a frizting diagram?

http://cheesefactory.us/filecenter/ttl_binary_clock.pdf

You have pretty good hand writing. I find that a good treat for anyone of any age. My handwriting is OK on paper but I can do better on board (kind of occupational). I would not hand draw those diagrams anymore. I only did that when I was in college. Now it is all electronically done. I can do a decent fritzing diagram as connection diagram but my focus is NOT connecting monolithic ICs but rather parts (sensors) that don't have many pins each to arduino so the reader (often myself at a later time) will be able to assemble the project according to the diagram. I like the fact that I can use some real-looking part images you can get from various libraries such as sparkfun and adafruit (I'm too lazy to make them myself, did it once and it didn't look right). It really depends on who is doing the diagram and for what parts and purpose:



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As a beginner in electronics I find the circuit images help me to wire things correctly.


That's what I found use for fritzing. I used to hate fritzing because I did a diagram with shift registers. Due to the amount of connections of the shift registers, I made a mess and ranted on this very forum. OK here is one. Confusing to the reader what it is. But if you read my previous reply, it's for sensors that each only have few connections. That's more clear than this:



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DigiKey offers a free on-line schematic tool that some of you might want to look into.

http://www.digikey.com/schemeit

A proper schematic drawing is the universal language of electronics.

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It seems to me the reasonable thing to do when someone posts a breadboard image that you find unsatisfactory, is to request a schematic image. Do this enough, and people will realize that the schematic images (or both schematics and breadboard images) are preferred, and somewhat necessary if you are to get more help. Same as when people post one-sentence bug reports, and people ask for detailed steps to replicate the bug before trying to help.

Personally, I think it would be great if people posted both. Those who don't understand schematics yet would get exposed to them with the breadboard side-by-side.
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I am against the subject heading, in the sense if this is a "Vote".

I much prefer the Frizing picture when a new persons describes their circuit as it is much more likely to reflect what they HAVE wired up, rather than the schematic.
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W0W! Liudr the Fritzing Specialist  smiley-cool  smiley-yell
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W0W! Liudr the Fritzing Specialist  smiley-cool  smiley-yell
Not really. I just use a tool for what I perceive it is good for.
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Not really. I just use a tool for what I perceive it is good for.

To be true I have never seen such a nicely designed fritzing , its so professional that its actually good for fritzing having users like you
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Indeed, I did the first diagram professionally, meaning it was part of a contract project. It requires some patience.
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It is a little funny.
"Kindergarden", "use a proper program", "Fritzing is like a kindergarten kid drawing scribbles on paper and saying "hey look, look, look at my pretty drawing!"
All ending up in a "because I don't like it, it should be banned".


At some other fora, you can find almost the exact same wording regarding the Arduino:


Randomly searching the internet quickly gave quotes like these:

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I hate Arduino as it brings something that should require skill and fundamental understanding to a market that has none

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Also, lose the ‘duino and make your own board with an ATMEL or PIC chip. Using a ‘duino is like shouting “I don’t know what I’m doing”

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No it dos not bring anything to beginners except dumbing them down. Just like Lego Mindstorm dos not make you robotic engineer no matter how much you want this to be true, it just a toy appropriate for children but looks stupid in adults hands


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I'll tell you why?

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Also, lose the ‘duino and make your own board with an ATMEL or PIC chip. Using a ‘duino is like shouting “I don’t know what I’m doing”

These are some jealous people who do not like the idea of getting that knowledge to the general masses which was in the hands of engg. and now if not that great deeds they can do as compared to a full blown computer engineer they can atleast do "a lot today" about which they just imagined about till Arduino became the reality, so it takes a lot of limelight from the Avg. engg. (not all engg. are that good many just do what is already done but Arduino took away that with boosting DIY and open source eco-system!)

Tell them that an Arduino is nothing but just another 'AVR'

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No it dos not bring anything to beginners except dumbing them down. Just like Lego Mindstorm dos not make you robotic engineer no matter how much you want this to be true, it just a toy appropriate for children but looks stupid in adults hands

Plain Ignorance PERIOD


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No it dos not bring anything to beginners except dumbing them down. Just like Lego Mindstorm dos not make you robotic engineer no matter how much you want this to be true, it just a toy appropriate for children but looks stupid in adults hands

WOW! That underlined passage above is one of the stupidiest sentences I ever had the mispleasure to read.

I sit with my nephew playing with his Mindstorm kits and we simply lose track of time. And it is fun. And at the end I few a little bit smarter than before, and so does him. Sometimes his grandfather (who's got a post-doctorate in Physics) also joins us.

Whoever wrote that sentence had absolutely no idea what (s)he was talking about.
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