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Robin2

I have noticed a few topics which involve technical discussions related to weapons - guns and shooting.

I fully accept that it will be impossible to rid the world of weapons or stop boys hankering after bigger, better, and faster weapons.

But perhaps the Arduino fraternity could make a small gesture towards world peace by banning discussions related to weapons?

The idea of "improving" weapons (which are for the principal purpose of dividing people) seems incompatible with the spirit of open-source which is intended to bring people together.

...R

Jack Christensen

Hadn't come across those threads but not sure where that line of thinking leads. I might be much more concerned about what a timer sketch might be used for than a small arm carried by an individual.
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Robin2

I include questions of measuring projectile velocity or registering target hits.


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AlxDroidDev


Hadn't come across those threads but not sure where that line of thinking leads. I might be much more concerned about what a timer sketch might be used for than a small arm carried by an individual.


EXACTLY!!!! Or even a sketch that deals with processing messages or calls received from a GSM shield. These are a lot more dangerous. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what these can be used for.

I tend to dislike people who think guns are the source of all evil. Are forks and spoons to be blamed for obesity?

Just like other posters, I also haven't come accross the type of post the OP mentioned.

I'd like the OP to keep in mind that he can only enjoy peace in some countries today, because in the past somepeople were willing to defend their peace with guns. Also, guns are widely used for sports.
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Robin2

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May 30, 2013, 09:13 pm Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 01:25 am by Coding Badly Reason: 1
What does this mean? and to whom is it addressed?

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robtillaart

@Robin2
I think you have a valid point, at least to some extend. On the old forum we had a discussion about the ethics of the forum, and from what I recall, if it is clear that someone wants to do harm, (s)he will get very little help. The ethics included posting warnings when projects includes high voltages etc.

That said, any technique can be used for good and evil. It is the person that uses it who makes the choice. (that does not mean I am for free weapons)
And given the standard deviation of the mental state of the average human, it is better to keep any weapon in a safe place. But in the hands of "the evil person", anything is a weapon.
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Coding Badly

What does this mean?


https://www.google.com/search?q=%22on+a+short+leash%22

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and to whom is it addressed?


Everyone who discusses your suggestion on this forum.

Robin2

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May 31, 2013, 01:57 pm Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 07:22 pm by Coding Badly Reason: 1
I still have no idea what you are talking about. I think you might have assumed that I know what "on a short leash" means. I just can't see the relevance of the phrase in this context.

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Coding Badly

I still have no idea what you are talking about. I think you might have assumed that I know what "on a short leash" means. I just can't see the relevance of the phrase in this context.


This thread can easily (and has already just started to) descend into an argument regarding guns.  I will not tolerate it.

The essence of your idea is censorship.  The moderators already censor: personal attacks, politics, and spam are not tolerated.  The question on the table is where to draw the line.

Robin2

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May 31, 2013, 09:29 pm Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 09:34 pm by Robin2 Reason: 1
I don't think guns (or other weapons) are things that can be dealt with as though there were no moral implications.

I don't wish to suggest a list but I imagine there are many things that would not be considered suitable on this forum. I just want a reasonable discussion about the desirability of excluding Arduino projects associated with weapons.

The only rationale for any weapon is to be able to force someone else do something s/he would not otherwise choose to do.

It may be useful to think of the issue in terms of the following questions:

(a) Would you like your children to have access to a website where they can learn about and become "acclimatized" to guns and other weapons and how to make them or their users more effective?

(b) If you favour allowing the the discussion of projects concerning weapons would you be happy to put them all under a heading clearly labeled "Weapons"?

...R

Grumpy_Mike


I tend to dislike people who think guns are the source of all evil.

The you will dislike me.
This is a typical response. No one ever suggested they are the source of ALL evil, but they are a considerable contributor to it.
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Are forks and spoons to be blamed for obesity?

I don't think it is possible to inflict obesity on others with cutlery. This is typical of the intellectual level of most gun proponents arguments. Over stating any case does you no favors.

However, I don't think you can ban discussion on these matters, what you can do is not to respond to any or give help.

Yes there are plenty of posts about gun related topics here, however the pro gun people tend to be blind to them because to them they are every day matters and not an area of disgust.

One forum member did have a pro gun signature and was asked to remove it as it was not relevant to the work of this forum.

Robin2

@Riva in your earlier post you referred to
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The only threads I can remember seeing regarding weapons is with measuring the projectile velocity or registering target hits
and I responded immediately by saying that I objected to those ones.

Hence I assumed you didn't need any additional cross references.

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SurferTim

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I have noticed a few topics which involve technical discussions related to weapons - guns and shooting.

Guns and shooting? What? A range of a mile or so. Jeez!! I thought you were talking about real weapons. You know what I mean, the ones that reach you from several states away and take out several people at once. The victim looks up and has time to say "OH, SH.." just before BOOM!!

Robin2

I find it very disturbing when people make humour out of killing people - whether a mile away or a nation away.

Enough people are killed and injured in accidents every day without doing it on purpose.

...R

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