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I wager that even anti-gun people won't be coming down hard on 3D printed guns. There are plenty of regular gun sales and issues they can go after. So it's likely become a moral issue, like trying to endanger oneself and others with behaviors not forbidden by law but a grandpa will point his cane at you and say you are not mounting to any good.
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So we're probably going to end up in the same situation we have with copyright infringement? Where the government is saying "you have to stop this!" And the printing companies are saying "we'd have to hire 400,000 new employees to personally inspect each part".

Some things are apparent the moment you bring the 3D image up on-screen. They have to do more than that just to check that the file submitted can be made. See what that costs, it may be part of a set-up or engineering fee. A cam or cog won't stand out but a receiver with handle sure will.

Say you have a company that makes 3D printed parts and you know that if a part that you sold was found a fundamental part of a gun used in a crime that you could lose the company and go to jail, wouldn't you be extra careful about making just anything?

What I see probably happening is Big Business absorbing all but hobby 3D printing into a controlled industry.


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I Think that 3D printing of a gun is a bad thing. Not because it is a gun, but because it is a very poor application of the technology from a safety standpoint. A printed gun is attempting to contain high pressures in relatively low pressure materials. This means that the risk of those components failing and injuring the "user" is very high. 3d Printing some components makes sense. There are parts of a gun are not exposed to high pressures that would do well if made with this technology.

The other issue that seems to come up is that guns can be used in wrong or illegal ways. So can knives - someone less that 7 Meters or 21 feet from you is more dangerous with a knife than with a gun. So can beverage bottles - the 21 foot rule may apply here also. Cars (especially when impaired by the contents of one of those beverage bottles, a double threat...) Baseball bats and other clubs (atcually may be more deadly than guns...). Or any number of other objects that we are exposed to every day.

How many of you have a large supply of the explosive GASOLINE with you every day? We have ways of controlling the risk without requiring us all to have a special license or permit to handle it... Ammonia based cleaners and chlorine bleach? Carbon Monoxide generators?(cars) Antifreeze in someones drink or food? We all live with things that are dangerous everyday without any thought. But we get all emotional about guns and horse meat...
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Because of the "guns are only made to kill people" fallacy.
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Although I understand your points of it being an issue of our freedoms, and I'm not saying that the second amendment has to be destroyed, but let's think about this logically. What benefit could a 3D gun possibly have on society? I think Bill Maher brought up some great points a few weeks ago. Obviously this gun could get past a metal detector, so that poses a threat for all public areas, but there's more than that too.. With the capabilities of a 3D printer that nearly anyone could set up in their own home, this gives terrorists, felons, and mentally unstable people access to weapons. As technology increasingly becomes more advances, only time is holding back people from creating far more destructive weapons. Further, the inventor of the "liberator" said it was made to fight tyranny.. What tyranny is he referring to? It kind of sounds like this gun is meant to be used to attack the government.. I don't want to jump to conclusions here but I don't think the second amendment is worth another civil war. I'm very open to other opinions though, so lemme know what you guys think! smiley
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The printer to do that isn't some little hobby number that can do at most ABS. The machines that can are known and likely going to be controlled soon, witness the Texans making the parts were forced to sign up with the BATF.
The big controversy is not printing whole guns but rather the receivers that can turn non-assault weapons into assault weapons.

The ability to make a single-shot crap gun with almost no metal has been around since before 1950, but I will NOT go into how or what.

You can't even make skyrockets without regulations up to the eyebrows for the last over 10 years.

Please, don't go all "chemtrail" on us!


 
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The ability to make a single-shot crap gun with almost no metal has been around since before 1950, but I will NOT go into how or what.

You mean like this?

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Although I understand your points of it being an issue of our freedoms, and I'm not saying that the second amendment has to be destroyed, but let's think about this logically. What benefit could a 3D gun possibly have on society? I think Bill Maher brought up some great points a few weeks ago. Obviously this gun could get past a metal detector, so that poses a threat for all public areas, but there's more than that too.. With the capabilities of a 3D printer that nearly anyone could set up in their own home, this gives terrorists, felons, and mentally unstable people access to weapons. As technology increasingly becomes more advances, only time is holding back people from creating far more destructive weapons. Further, the inventor of the "liberator" said it was made to fight tyranny.. What tyranny is he referring to? It kind of sounds like this gun is meant to be used to attack the government.. I don't want to jump to conclusions here but I don't think the second amendment is worth another civil war. I'm very open to other opinions though, so lemme know what you guys think! smiley

You know what else wont set off a metal detector? An arduino and 15lbs of commercial blasting agent. The "metal detector" idea is a farce, the technology to get past them has existed for decades. They do, however, tend to bunch lots of people up in one tightly enclosed space. In tactical terms, this is called "a target rich environment". All these security checkpoints do is move the target closer to the attacker.
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One of the things I didn't want to point out. Please, don't give them ideas.
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One of the things I didn't want to point out. Please, don't give them ideas.


Who are these mythical "them"?  I honestly don't believe we have any terrorist wannabies around here.  Just nerds.
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Who are these mythical "them"?  I honestly don't believe we have any terrorist wannabies around here.  Just nerds.

There is a difference between believing and... knowing. Besides, some kid(s) may just be interested without having terrorist tendencies, but what if such a kid also lacks the knowledge/right materials to build a gun like that safely ?
Of course, if such a kid really wants to build a gun, it will be hard to stop him with all the info on the internet.  But I for sure wouldn't want to be part of his search, resulting in the loss of fingers, hands or worse...
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But I for sure wouldn't want to be part of his search, resulting in the loss of fingers, hands or worse...

Yup. That's one group I don't want to help along.

The other them is the idealist idiots that want to ram unworkable 'solutions' that actually make things worse down our throats, stripping away more of our rights in the process.
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You know some of those "idealist idiots" are the families and friends of victims of gun abuse.. If you were part of one of the families affected by the Sandy Hook shooting wouldn't you give up a few rights in order to bring your child back from the dead? I realize this is a vast minority but I encourage you to view things from every angle.  smiley-small
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