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follower

Hi,

I would like to repeat my request for something to be done about the spam on the forums.

Can someone please organise to allow myself or one of the other forums regulars the ability to delete spam directly--in my opinion it is inefficient to be marking it manually and I don't think it's a good use of the existing moderators' time to be searching for threads marked SPAM and deleting them.

--Phil.  

Digger450


mellis

follower: it's not a bad idea.  I'll discuss it with the team.  I've also been thinking about trying to divide up the hardware interfacing forum into multiple categories, so it could be nice to have some extra moderators to help out in categorizing the posts.

OTOH, I don't think there's so much spam to really interfere with the forum usage, although I understand that it's annoying.

follower

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I'll discuss it with the team.

I'd appreciate it.

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I've also been thinking about trying to divide up the hardware interfacing forum into multiple categories, so it could be nice to have some extra moderators to help out in categorizing the posts.

FWIW IMO I'm not sure there'd be a huge benefit from dividing up the hardware forums. People already seem to have problems knowing quite which sub-forum to post in and I don't think the volume of postings is dangerously high. What do you see as being the gain from doing so?

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OTOH, I don't think there's so much spam to really interfere with the forum usage, although I understand that it's annoying.

I guess I subscribe to the "broken window" theory and (particularly after today's deluge) I don't think it's getting any less. I don't think anybody gains from leaving spam on the forums longer than is necessary.

--Phil.

CrashingDutchman

I didn't see this thread and posted a similar thread in the News section... Sorry!

walterr

I would also like to see the spam problem improved.

admin

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Aug 20, 2008, 05:35 pm Last Edit: Aug 20, 2008, 05:36 pm by admin Reason: 1
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I would also like to see the spam problem improved.



I don't see it as a huge problem... it's not that we have a 90% spam 10% content ration..
we are cleaning the forums every day multiple times...


zea

what about to use a captcha system for the borad?

http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl?num=1186785854/0
http://zea.randomlab.net

Oracle

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what about to use a captcha system for the borad?

http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl?num=1186785854/0


I'm not conviced captchas work, when I added them to my own site it barely slowed them down.  Though by the time I added them, I was getting about 200 spams a day and legit traffic had pretty much died out.

From my experience though, it is important to do something more than just deleting the spam.  It started out as a trickle on my site, and grew and grew until it was almost a full time job deleting them.

westfw

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I don't see it as a huge problem...

But the spam is getting more frequent AND more offensive...


follower

Hi...

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it's not that we have a 90% spam 10% content ration..

That's not a very high standard to compare the situation to! :-)

To be honest I don't understand the reluctance to enable a couple of people to implement this. Is there something about the situation I'm not understanding?

A greater than zero number of community members find the spam unnecessary and there are at least a couple of people willing to provide the mouse clicks required to delete it more promptly. Less spam. More time for the existing mods to do more useful things. And I could delete the spam with one click (I assume) instead of typing in a bunch of stuff and waiting for a moderator to delete it.

I would appreciate it if you could please explain the reason for this not being an acceptable solution for you.

Thanks.

--Phil.

P.S. FWIW with the current spam volume I think captchas would inconvenience the forum community more than the spam.

Oracle

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Aug 28, 2008, 07:37 pm Last Edit: Aug 28, 2008, 07:43 pm by Oracle Reason: 1
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To be honest I don't understand the reluctance to enable a couple of people to implement this. Is there something about the situation I'm not understanding?


From the point of view of the core team, Arduno is their baby, the built it up, and it's very hard to let go of control.  It's the same sort of feeling that parents have as their children grow up.

As the Arduino community grows, I suspect it will become more and more necessary to have some help, but I can certainly understand the reluctances of the core team to give up control of their baby.

I'd say just be patient right now, they are dealing with the spam.  The only real downside right now is they're spending time that could go into helping users or further developing Ardunio on deleting spam.

As the legitimate user base grows, it's not simply deleting spam, but more subjective things mods would have to do.  Moving threads to more appropriate forums for example.  Should a mod only delete spam or a grossly off-topic thread?  Where do you draw the line?  

John_Ryan

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what about to use a captcha system for the borad?

http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl?num=1186785854/0


I'm not conviced captchas work, when I added them to my own site it barely slowed them down.


The attacks Arduino.cc's has been suffering, are Bot attacks, and bots "cannot" navigate sites protected by "good" implementations of CAPTCHAs, such as the format used over at Yahoo.

The general mentality of spammers is if they can let their bot's roam the web injecting their filth into millions of vulnerable forums, like this one, then it beats doing any form of work themselves, like reading site CAPTACHA codes for a single attack, especially if the pay-off isn't high unlike the persistent attacks suffered by WindowsLive and Gmail whose CAPTCHAs were hacked, which considering the "kudos" prize, its no wonder.

So for the 5 minutes the Yabb hack takes to implement it'll reduce a substantial amount of the misery users here are obviously suffering as a result of sometimes highly offensive spam.



Oracle

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The attacks Arduino.cc's has been suffering, are Bot attacks, and bots "cannot" navigate sites protected by "good" implementations of CAPTCHAs, such as the format used over at Yahoo.


It's trivial to break any captcha.  You simply link it into a "free porn" site and have users answer the captchas.  They type the captcha, the bot automatically enters it into the victim site, and if it's right, the script lets the viewer have their porn.   There is no such thing as a good implementation because any captcha can be defeated with this sort of attack.

John_Ryan

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The attacks Arduino.cc's has been suffering, are Bot attacks, and bots "cannot" navigate sites protected by "good" implementations of CAPTCHAs, such as the format used over at Yahoo.


It's trivial to break any captcha.  You simply link it into a "free porn" site and have users answer the captchas.  They type the captcha, the bot automatically enters it into the victim site, and if it's right, the script lets the viewer have their porn.   There is no such thing as a good implementation because any captcha can be defeated with this sort of attack.


I haven't heard of that one before, how does it work?

If CAPTCHAs are so easy to defeat, then the brains over at Carnegie Mellon University have a lot to be held accountable for, and gosh, the cheek of it, they're still telling people to use it!

http://www.captcha.net/

Our portfolio includes a number of adult sites we've owned "for years", all with CAPTCHA, not one has ever suffered a spam attack. An adult forum we own started out with Yabb, but it got too big and we upgraded it to SMF. In its 3 year history only a handful of Russians have tried manual attacks, but the site has 3 moderators and they blocked the IP's before they had a chance to do anything.

Spam is completely preventable.  

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