Pages: 1 [2]   Go Down
Author Topic: Arduino, thermocouples, rocketry.  (Read 5114 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Atlanta
Offline Offline
Sr. Member
****
Karma: 1
Posts: 255
Arduino still rocks
View Profile
WWW
 Bigger Bigger  Smaller Smaller  Reset Reset

I dont think he has enough time to use thermocouples at all.  Hes got like 9 or 10 days left till flight, and a buncha very good but terribly mismatched volunteer parts.  Even if he had all chips and parts in hand with a proven design and pre-made circuit board for a compatible thermocouple amplifier, integrating an entire working payload system would be doubtful, even if they are very experienced.

Reminds me of an edge-of-space balloon flight, group project with what we though were modest goals.  These were pretty experienced tinkerers, but night before launch everybody came to my basement lab with their assigned parts of the payload.  Most were not working in themselves, much less integrated under a BasicStamp.  By 0200 one guy and myself were left, we started from scratch, made a simple thermistor controlled 555 oscillator keying an oscillator from a VGA video card, 28.322 MHz = 10 m ham band.  We spent the rest of the night calibrating it while trying to get FAA to accept our NOTAM filing.  By 0900 everyone else was awake and joined us at launch site, the simple payload flew well to about 88000 ft (estimated from the NWS morning temperature profile) and was recovered less than 45 miles away.
 
BTW The guy who stayed awake all night with me is asleep in the back of the chase car.  The guy in suspenders looks very familiar, I just dont recognize the old man who is in my mirror every morning ;-)

Anyway...

IMHO these folks dont need to be sitting up the night before the deadline trying to get help from this forum to debug unfamiliar circuits and new code.  They need something Extremely Simple that has a decent chance of being a working and stable payload SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE the launch so they can get software thoroughly debugged and good ground experience in operating the system, triggering and downloading it, before the actual launch.  Maybe even a test flight before going for the grade.

If it was me, sure, I'd be building a thermocouple amplifier, but even with my experience I'd already have those simple thermistors working just in case the deadline arrives "too sooon" . 

MY $0.02 with no disrespect to the ideas of others.  To borrow westfw's byline "Strongly opinionated, but not official!"

BTW, the one thing that NONE of us has yet helped Tetrahyde with is how to log (STORE) the data.  The Dataq "logger" is just an Analog to RS-232 converter, they are fun but not really helpful here.  If the data isnt sent down by telemetry and recorded then it gotta be stored onboard.  Arduino has little memory, maybe a scheme to start storage on ignition and run till memory is full....  some of you may know sketches that can be adapted.  Trigger could be electric igniter voltage or a break wire on rocket movement.


Logged

'Merica
Offline Offline
Newbie
*
Karma: 0
Posts: 6
View Profile
 Bigger Bigger  Smaller Smaller  Reset Reset

@ Altairlabs

I liked what you said, so I bought those thermresistors. lol. Thought you'd like to know. I suppose what I do is put the thermresistors where I planned on putting the thermocouples, which is right where the two air streams will be coming in near the nose cone of the rocket. Also, the circuit only has to be a series? I mean, that makes sense but wow. Simple. smiley-razz Also, thanks for the tutorial on how to get it to work! You're a huge help.

So this marks me letting you all know that I went with the simple thermresistor approach. Once, again thanks.

@kg4wsv

See, I can't do that because the response time on that wouldn't be as quick as is a J-type. And even getting a K-type would still require an amplifier and this thermresistor idea seemed much easier. Thanks though!

Thanks to everyone! You've all been a huge help.
You know what's lame though? We were going to do a launch at the local high-power launch site last weekend but it was canceled because of winds, which means we might not get to launch for the big competition. :/ But maybe the Range Safety Officer is feeling nice... smiley-wink
Logged

Atlanta
Offline Offline
Sr. Member
****
Karma: 1
Posts: 255
Arduino still rocks
View Profile
WWW
 Bigger Bigger  Smaller Smaller  Reset Reset

Thanks for posting back ! 

All the hardware suggestions were technically good, given enough time to make them work...

Been thinkin 'bout how to store the data... there are SD card shields and USB and other hardware stuff to do this, but I think a simple array in RAM memory is enough.  A post on old forum says less than 1k of RAM was left free for an array, so there should be enough room in memory to declare
Code:
  int time[100];
  int tempDifference[100];
  int tempAbsolute[100];
which would put 100 samples into 600 bytes.  That would hold 20 sec of data at 5Hz (five samples per sec) or 50 sec at 2 Hz.

Heres a cartoon schematic and what I imagine you might be doing with it...


Hope you get a chance to fly it..  good luck with your project !
Logged

Atlanta
Offline Offline
Sr. Member
****
Karma: 1
Posts: 255
Arduino still rocks
View Profile
WWW
 Bigger Bigger  Smaller Smaller  Reset Reset

Shoulda added another pair of resistors in series, center tap of this pair goes to a digital input, one resistor is actually a switch or very fine wire that breaks when launch.  The Arduino sketch waits for this IO pin to signal when launch, then stores the readings into the array till its full.
Logged

Pages: 1 [2]   Go Up
Jump to: