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stoopkid

Mar 13, 2011, 11:35 am Last Edit: Mar 13, 2011, 11:37 am by stoopkid Reason: 1
I'm trying to use my LM317t to take the arduino 5v to 1.5v, which is the voltage I need for my transformer to power my nixie tubes. I can use my nixie tubes off a AA battery from the transformer just fine. And I can get 1.5v out of my LM317t just fine. But when I try to connect the 1.5v into the transformer, my arduino voltage drops to 3 to 4v. This makes my 74141 not work, and I would imagine isnt good for the arduino/atmega. Can anyone help me out, what's going on here?

thanks

Graynomad

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Mar 13, 2011, 12:08 pm Last Edit: Mar 13, 2011, 12:12 pm by Graynomad Reason: 1
I suspect your nixie tubes draw way too much current for the poor little Arduino regulator.

Use a separate power supply.

I don't know much about nixie tubes, they are high voltage right? But that would translate to high current on the other side of your transformer I think.

If the above is not the case then you have a fault in your wiring.

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Terry King


I'm trying to use my LM317t to take the arduino 5v to 1.5v...


Hi, Are you running all this from the USB??  Better to get a 9V to 12V external plug-in supply, and

Suggestion:
1. Plug it into Arduino External power jack. Power the Arduino that way.
2. ALSO feed the LM317 from the 9 Volts. It will still put out 1.5 V (Or whatever voltage you have set with the resistor ratio; I assume you have that figured out)..

Regards, Terry King  ..On the Red Sea at KAUST.edu.sa
terry@yourduino.com  LEARN! DO! (Arduino Boards, Sensors, Parts @ http://yourduino.com

stoopkid

Hmm yeah I figured I should try powering it differently before asking. Thank you for the tips, I'll give them a try tomorrow.

stoopkid

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Mar 14, 2011, 02:28 am Last Edit: Mar 14, 2011, 02:37 am by stoopkid Reason: 1
Hmm, it's still not working, even with a 750ma power supply. The only way to get it to work is to give the 74141 its own separate 5v source. The LM317t is draining it's 5v down to 3-4v still, whether It's in parallel with the 5v regulator or pulling from the 5v regulator. I'm only using one nixie tube, could it require more than 750ma?

My multimeter only goes up to 200ma, and its more than that.

tjbaudio

looking at the spec sheets the 74141 runs 25ma, the LM317 and put out 1.5A so figure 2A in at full load.
Also looking at the info on that page I think you need to look at the hookup schematic.  http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM317.html#Overview

Terry King

... The LM317t is draining it's 5v down to 3-4v still, whether It's in parallel with the 5v regulator or pulling from the 5v regulator.
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Hmm. How is the LM317 affecting the 5V??

I think the LM317 should be powered from the external supply, not connected to 5V...

Let us know.
Regards, Terry King  ..On the Red Sea at KAUST.edu.sa
terry@yourduino.com  LEARN! DO! (Arduino Boards, Sensors, Parts @ http://yourduino.com

stoopkid

Yes, thats what i meant by in parallel with the 5v regulator. I have them both running straight off the power supply and I get similar results.

The thing is though, the nixie tube works fine off the 750ma power supply, as long as i get the 5v somewhere else. So i found a 1.6A power supply, and I still have the same problem, even though more than twice as much amperage is available. I thought this was weird because obviously the nixie tube is getting enough power from 750ma, which leaves more than 750ma more available for everything else. Is this an incorrect assumption?

stoopkid

Tt lights fine when i manually wire the nixie. The 5v stays 5v, the 1.5 drops a little but the transformer still lights the nixie fine. Its only when i have it wired to the 74141 that I get this problem.

Terry King

This is sounding strange... 

Maybe high-frequency noise / coupling??  Make sure you have a bypass capacitor (say .1uf) right across the 74141 Vcc-Gnd supply. Make sure you have a similar value (but you may need a 200v or more rating) across the DC output of your Nixie power supply...

Something invisible other-than-DC seems to be happening here. Maybe. 
Regards, Terry King  ..On the Red Sea at KAUST.edu.sa
terry@yourduino.com  LEARN! DO! (Arduino Boards, Sensors, Parts @ http://yourduino.com

floresta

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I can use my nixie tubes off a AA battery from the transformer just fine.
I'm a little confused.  You are talking about nixie tubes, batteries and transformers all in the same sentence.  Unless there are some modern replacements the nixie tubes that I remember were neon devices that required high voltage to operate.  Also, the batteries that I am familiar with produce DC (as does the LM317) and transformers transform AC (or sometimes chopped up DC). 
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Can anyone help me out, what's going on here?


Don

stoopkid

Im using this tutorial: http://www.instructables.com/id/Disposibal-Camera-Nixie-Tube-Driver/
The battery goes in to the flash transformer, and comes out 200 or so volts.

Anyway the de-coupling  capacitors didn't make a difference. But since I've taken it apart, and re-wired it now it's the 1.5 that drops, so my 5v is fine but the transformer is only outputting a few volts. It's just something about the Vcc pin of the 74141 being connected to the rest of my setup that causes problems. Everything is fine when the 5v comes from the arduino board, and from my power supply I get 5v powering an LED just fine and the 1.5 from the LM317t powering the transformer and my Nixies just fine. I've got the thing ticking 0-9. But when that 5v pin goes from the arduino board to my 5v line on the breadboard the 1.5v dies.

Ugh. I'm thinking about making a 555 nixie power supply (http://www.ledsales.com.au/kits/nixie_supply.pdf) but the way this is acting, im afraid after I go to all the work, it wont make a difference.

I really appreciate the help so far, guys. If you have any more suggestions it would be really helpful. Thanks.

stoopkid

Did the 555 timer PSU. Works great. Thanks guys.

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