so you can program it to only run using a crystal of clock and nothing else works? I'm using a brand new breadboard with jump wires -_-
Unless your real programmer has a zif socket, it may have similar issues.(but at least any auto-reset uncertainties will be gone.)
27 pf caps should work when hooking up a crystal for the clock right?
Is there anything special to programming the chips via breadboard?
Nearly any reasonable (e.g. 1 MHz) clock signal applied to XTAL1 allows the processor to be programmed regardless of the fuse settings.