So, do you guys consider these type of products open source hardware?
I think your commingling two different subjects.1. Legal conditions of the licence, does it give everyone the 'right' to copy the design? If yes, then it is open source hardware in my opinion.2. Ease of replication, does it provide all the information to make copying easier? This item doesn't define if it's open source or not, just how much effort one needs to put forth to replicate the design.
I understand your idea about "spirit". IMHO the schematics are more important than the CAD files. What exactly would you mean with "better" products if you rule out "cheaper" as an improvement?
Just for the sake of argument. Would you consider my Blinkenlight Shield https://shop.ruggedcircuits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=47? Would you consider my documentation http://www.blinkenlight.net detrimental or helpful?My hope is that it will promote the community. Still I would consider my license terms (CC BY-NC-SA) not exactly open source. My choice of license is exactly designed to avoid what you describe. If I would make it completely open I would have to accept what you describe. This way there are still loopholes but at least I have a slim theoretical chance to avoid commercial exploitation by others. If I would make it completely open source I would have to accept that others can and probably will exploit it.What do you think?
I always thought open meant that you could use whatever they provided in your project. If they provide the schematic, that what you can use. If they provide the CAD files, then you can use them. Whatever they provide is fair to use. If you carry this too far people will be expecting you to provide the software to read the CAD files, the computer to run it on and a person to type in the commands.Take what they provide in the spirit they provide it.
the open hardware community is less mature, and doesn't have people like Eric S. Raymond and Richard Stallman pushing for recognition of a set of stated principles.