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Hey

Whether or not anyone is interested in this, I am not sure, but just something I put together as a test more than anything, and to practice my PCB designing skills again. Its been a while.

I wanted to make a shield that featured a few small relays so I could switch larger devices, as I couldnt find anyone else who had really done this (no doubt there is however).
I then thought about making a shield with a MCP23S17 SPI IO Expander, as I brought 5 of this a while ago but hadnt played with them yet. I was using Bascom-AVR at that stage and hadnt purchased my first Arduino.

Anyway, I then though - instead of taking up IO from the Arduino to drive these relays, why dont I do this with some of the outputs from the SPI expander.

So what I have made is a prototype PCB with a MCP23S17 chip, of which 4 of the outputs drive 4 BC337 transistors, which in turn drive the coils of 4 5volt relays, which are capable of switching 5 Amps at 230VAC.

The rest of the IO pins I have just made available on header pins, which could be used for anything.

As I say, this is a prototype, and I didnt have enough 0.1" header pins to fully populate the board, but all the functional pins are connected. The others would just be pass through, however the relays are quite tall and so this board would most likely need to be the top most board if stacking anyway.

Designed in Protel DXP 2004 and printed by a company here in NZ who prints single and double sided boards however doesnt have the technology to do via's etc, so these are all done manually. Cheap service though and much better than etching my own boards. And since its a prototype I didnt bother getting them to cut the board out completely, but as you will see it is designed with the proper contours that other arduino shields have.

If/When I make a proper version, it will all be reshuffled as some components arent in ideal places - but its a prototype. Not much room on a shield footprint when using through hole components and relays!

Here are a few snaps incase anyone is interested, sorry the lighting in this room is dim at best and the flash is a bit bright.









This is the test code I used if anyone is interested.

Code:
/*Code modified from code I found on http://spikenzielabs.com/SpikenzieLabs/Project_64.html
  Purely to test if the hardware works, which it does.
  Code turns on and off each relay each second
*/

#define            MCP23S17      B01001100      // MCP23017 SPI Address

#define            IOCON            0x0A            // MCP23017 Config Reg.

#define            IODIRA            0x00            // MCP23017 address of I/O direction
#define            IODIRB            0x01            // MCP23017 1=input

#define            IPOLA            0x02            // MCP23017 address of I/O Polarity
#define            IPOLB            0x03            // MCP23017 1= Inverted

#define            GPIOA            0x12            // MCP23017 address of GP Value
#define            GPIOB            0x13            // MCP23017 address of GP Value

#define            GPINTENA      0x04            // MCP23017 IOC Enable
#define            GPINTENB      0x05            // MCP23017 IOC Enable

#define            INTCONA            0x08            // MCP23017 Interrupt Cont
#define            INTCONB            0x09            // MCP23017 1= compair to DEFVAL(A or B) 0= change

#define            DEFVALA            0x06            // MCP23017 IOC Default value
#define            DEFVALB            0x07            // MCP23017 if INTCONA set then INT. if diff.

#define            GPPUA            0x0C            // MCP23017 Weak Pull-Ups
#define            GPPUB            0x0D            // MCP23017 1= Pulled HIgh via internal 100k

#define            OLATA            0x14
#define            OLATB            0x15

#define            INTFA            0x0E
#define            INTFB            0x0F

#define            INTCAPA         0x10
#define            INTCAPB            0x11

// SPI
#define         SS              4                // Pin mapping to Arduino = SELECT
#define         MOSI            6                // Pin mapping to Arduino = Master Out Slave In
#define         SCLK            7                // Pin mapping to Arduino = Serial clock
#define         MISO            5                // Pin mapping to Arduino = Master IN slave OUT

int rx_data = 0;
int buttonPress    = 0;
int error_flag = 0;
int COLUMN = 0;

void setup()
{
  Serial.begin(9600);                    

  pinMode(SS, OUTPUT);
  pinMode(MOSI, OUTPUT);
  pinMode(SCLK, OUTPUT);
  pinMode(MISO, INPUT);

  digitalWrite(SS, HIGH);
  digitalWrite(SCLK, LOW);
  digitalWrite(MOSI, LOW);

  delay(1000);                               // This delay seems important for the MCP23S17 power-up
  SPI_portexpanderinit();
}

void loop()
{
  //Turns on and off each relay in turn
  
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOA, B00000000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOB, B00000000);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOA, B00000001);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOA, B00000000);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOA, B00000010);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOA, B00000000);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOB, B10000000);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOB, B00000000);
  delay(1000);
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17, GPIOB, B01000000);
  delay(1000);
}

void SPI_portexpanderinit()
{
  // --- Set I/O Direction
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17,IODIRB,B00000000);                                 // MCP23S17 port B = OUTPUT
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17,IODIRA,B00000000);                                 // MCP23S17 port A = OUTPUT
  
  //  --- Clear ALL Bits of GPIOA and GPIOB
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17,GPIOB,B00000000);                                  // MCP23S17 Clear port B
  SPI_TX(MCP23S17,GPIOA,B00000000);                                  // MCP23S17 Clear port A
  
}

void SPI_TX(int device, int regadd, int tx_data)
{
  digitalWrite(SS, LOW);                                       // Select the Chip

  device = device & B11111110;                                 // Clear last bit for a write

  SPI8BITTXLOOP(device);                                       // SPI Device

  SPI8BITTXLOOP(regadd);                                       // SPI REGISTER ADDRESS

  SPI8BITTXLOOP(tx_data);                                      // Data

  digitalWrite(SS, HIGH);                                      // Done UN-Select the Chip
}

void SPI8BITTXLOOP(int data)
{
  int i = 0;
  int temp = 0;
  
  for(i=1; i < 9; i = i +1)
  {
    temp = (data >> 7);                                        // Test bit 7 of DATA
    temp = temp & 1;
    if (temp == 0)                                             // SET or CLEAR MOSI
    {
      digitalWrite(MOSI, LOW);
    }
    else
    {
      digitalWrite(MOSI, HIGH);
    }
    digitalWrite(SCLK, HIGH);                                   // SET SCLK
    digitalWrite(SCLK, LOW);                                    // Clear Clock
    data = data << 1;                                           // Shift data LEFT by 1
  }
}
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I like this...  smiley-grin

Is the relay driving limit four?  Also, what's the maximum rating current on the relays themselves?  I'm thinking of an automotive application.

*duh... ignore me, five amps, lol*
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Hi,
Haha yeah - 5A.
And no, the limit isnt 4 relays - however the limit for fitting it on a standard size shield like this is I would think. If I didnt have the SPI Expander then I may be able to fit 2 more, but then it would be IO driven rather than SPI driven and so that takes pins away from other shields.
In theory you can have as many relays as you have SPI outputs, and for each SPI expander you can have 16, and you can have multiple SPI expanders.
I cant recall off the top of my head what the coil current draw is of each of these relays, however its not much - but if you started having like 15 Relays then USB powered wouldnt be possible I think.

Cheers  ;D
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Sweet... so more than enough for my needs then, especially as they would have to be externally powered anyways smiley-grin

Thanks for the super quick response! smiley
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I'm wondering how much current is being sunk by the relay circuit on the output pin.

Because:
The MCP23S17 has maximum current draw of 125ma  and a maximum current sunk on the output pins of 25ma. So if you where to build something that would use all of the output pins for relays they would need to draw no more than 7.8ma per output pin. 7.8ma times 16 ports = 124.8ma

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The MCP23S17 is driving transistors, which are driving the relay coils, so the MCP23S17 isn't having to source the current required to switch the relays.
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The MCP23S17 is driving transistors, which are driving the relay coils, so the MCP23S17 isn't having to source the current required to switch the relays.

Yes, we all know that, remember that I said " I'm wondering how much current is being sunk by the relay circuit on the output pin"

"Relay circuit" means the Transistor and if any current limiting resistor that you might have in place between the output pin of the MCP23S17 and the transistor (ooops I mentioned that work again, "current")

 But unless you have defeated Ohms law and you are driving the transistor without any current whatsoever from the MCP23S17 then I would take my hat off to you!.

Determining the current draw "of the transistor " will determine how many relays can the MCP23S17 turn on at the same time without choking, so 16,10,8 might not be a realistic number if the individual current draw at the output pin is more than ~ 7.8 ma. This is completely independent to the amount of current the relay itself is going to draw but that is another story and not relevant to what is being discussed here. .

To determine this, place an Amp meter in the ma setting between the output pin of the MCP23S17 and your transistor relay driving circuit and measure the current draw when the relay is turned on.

Let's say you measure 18ma.  125ma is the total draw of the MCP23XXX. 125ma divided into 18ma = 6.94. What that means is that
you should be able to turn on at the same time 6 relays without choking the chip. Obviously if you are never planning on turning on more relays than what the current capacity of the chip can provide, then it would not be a problem.

This is going to be my last post on this matter as I beleive that I have explained everything and I'm just trying to help you so you won't have false expectations from the MCP23S17.

Good luck.




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@Salvador - Thanks very much for teaching me how to suck eggs.

The current draw on each output of the MCP23S17 is approximately 4.2mA based on my calculation of the base resistor and the operating voltage.

If anyone knows how to be condecending and basically an ass, you have taken the cake. No idea where your attacking reply came from but you can keep them to yourself from now on.

I am an automation engineer, not a preschooler.

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I like how this looks but would be interested to see a board with more relays. Right now what you have is a rather elaborate way to use four Arduino I/O to switch four relays.
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Correct, as I said, its a prototype.
That said, unless there are tiny relays available then fitting more on a 'standard' shield size PCB is going to be an issue. Surface Mount will make more room, but really its the relays that take up the room.

If more relays were needed and a relay board was made with a header and ribbon cable or something from the Arduino, then obviously you could have as many relays as you wanted.

This was for me to simply experiment with and to get some more IO on the arduino and 4 relay outputs without using too many of the arduino's IO, except for the pins required for the SPI.

So yes, the board simply provides 4 relays via a SPI expander, which could be easily done without the SPI expander, however it then has 12 extra IO for use for other things.

Its a prototype so will be far from what everyone will ideally want.
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