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Hi there,

yes - you're getting it right.

uFat allows you to find the start sector of a file on a card. Deviceprint allows you to write strings to sectors belonging to a file the card.

All you need to do to read and write to the card is make sure it's formatted as FAT16 and copy a big old file on there in order to write into it.
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How do I format the card for Fat16 ?
And copying a big old file, from where?  Ya kind of lost me there. :-[
Can I store numerical data on the card?
Sorry for asking all the questions.  It takes a while for this stuff to sink through my old skull.

Thanks for the help
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If you're using Linux you're on your own I'm afraid - unless there's anyone reading that would care to share the power??!

On Windows it's easy - open MyComputer and right-click the drive allocated to the card. Select Format from the context menu. For the filesystem select FAT. Not FAT32, plain ol' FAT. Click start and a few seconds later you're done.

Now imagine how much data you're going to write. Find or create a 'donor' file on your harddrive. The contents are irrelevant - you'll be overwriting them. It's the size of the donor file which is important. Too small and you'll lose data 'off the end' when you read it back in the desktop computer. Once the donor file is ready, make sure it's named in 8.3 fashion and copy it to the card. Put the card to the arduino.

You can store whatever you like on the card. I recommend strings because they're the most portable format. Use DevicePrint and putting strings in the file is as easy as using the Serial.print functions.

Remember though: Every time the program runs it will start writing at the start of the file. If you don't want this to happen, then you'll have to think awhile and imagine a scheme to help!

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OK, I got an SD card formatted.  I left the formatting procedure in default position, which was Fat, and 16k allocation, then it formatted alright.  After that I loaded a file of 86 kb on the disc.  Am I in good shape ?  

I don't know for sure what the 16k allocation means.  Does it mean that each file put on the disc can hold up to 16kbytes?  I tried a smaller allocation of 512bytes at first, but after formatting for a while, windows stopped and said: "Windows cannot complete formatting". So I went with the default allocation of 16k, which worked.

I want to use the disc to store numerical data, which will be electronic pulse counts.  The electronic pulses will come from the speed sensor of a motorcycle.  The arduino board will detect and count the pulses per second, then the pps count will be stored on the SD card.  I will be counting the pulses during a 15 second test run of the bike, and probably making more than one 15 second run each day that I make test runs. Then I want to remove the card from the arduino hook-up, take it into a pc and enter the data by using one of the pc's USB ports.  If this is all possible.

That means there will be starts and stops of the arduino, so then each test run will need to be stored on a different location of the card.  You mentioned that each time a program starts, the disc storage restarts at the beginning of a file, that could be an oh-oh. I've been able to perform this operation using external EEPROM.

Thank you

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I don't know for sure what the 16k allocation means.
The allocation is the "block size" for the file, and it means that all your files will use AT LEAST 16K of storage space, and will always use a multiple of 16K of storage.   Even if they're only 10 bytes long.  The actual length of the CONTENTS of the file is stored separately, so you shouldn't need to worry about this other than that the files will take up more space than you expected.
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Yes you're in good shape. How big are your sample sets? Counts per second implies you have 1 second resolution over 15 seconds. That's not exactly a google-smashing database, you should be able to pick and choose your method of saving. There are many ways to do this.
  • store output variables in Arduino's EEPROM between runs
  • write the code so that the data is written over a session which consists of many runs
  • make sure all the target files are named sequentially, empty or filled with a known value and scan each in turn at the start of a run to find an 'empty' one
  • scan the file after a run to find the end and begin writing there
And I'm sure there are many others. Just use your imagination!

If there's some time between runs I'd plump for something that's fail-safe, like the last option above.
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sirmorris and westfw:
Thank you, thank you very mauch(E.P.)
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Oh no, here I am again.

I've got everything together.  When my arduino is operating in "DevicePrint demo", on the serial monitor I get "ERROR: couldn't initialize card".

Operaring in "uFat2 example", I get "ERROR: mmc init failed".

I seem to be missing a whole bunch, here. Doesn't data or text have to be entered somewhere ?
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 Once the donor file is ready, make sure it's named in 8.3 fashion and copy it to the card. Put the card to the arduino.

What is 8.3 fashion?

I saved a large chunk of text on my SD card as "text", because that's the only choice given.  Could that be a problem?

Perhaps my voltages are off.  I don't have 1.8K resistors, so I used 2.2K in series with 3.3K as my voltage dividors, taking the output from across the
3.3K to gnd, results in 3.v.  

I'm using an SD/MMC Mini Board from FUTURLEC (http://www.futurlec.com/Mini_SC.shtml) It has the card socket and other components mounted, including 10K resistors from socket pins to 3. v , which, apperently are to hold the pins HIGH.  However, there are cutouts that can eliminate the 10K's.

Sorry for being such an old know nothing, and a probable pest. :-[

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What is 8.3 fashion?

Heh.  Short filenames; DOS 1.0 compatible: no more than 8 characters in the NAME part, not more than three in the "extension" part.  No "funny" characters, probably only uppercase.

It's strange how certain phrases linger, even thought they're "obviously" pretty obscure.
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Gentlemen:
This old boy is still having problems.

In devicePrint demo, I get: "couldn't find data.txt on card"

In uFat2 example, I get: "directory of files on card",  "0  HOLA   TXT"(name of file),   "1 files found.",   "data.bin not present on card."

I must have done something wrong when I loaded the SD card with bunch of text , and saved it as hola.txt.
I could use just a touch more advice at this point.  Thank you.

I'm using an SD/MMC Mini Board from FUTURLEC (http://www.futurlec.com/Mini_SC.shtml) It has the card socket and other components mounted, including 10K resistors from socket pins to 3.3 v , which, apparently are to hold the pins HIGH.  However, there are cutouts that can eliminate the 10K's.



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@packrat -

You've got it then. The deviceprint demo needs a file called "data.txt" - it can be nothing else.

With your SD plugged into you computer, just open up notepad (assuming windows), and make a file consiting entirely of the letter "B" or something. Keep copy-n-pasting big blocks of the letter B. Save teh file to the card with the filename "data.txt". Check the size of the file in explorer - it should be AT LEAST 1k. Eject the card and put it in the arduino card holder.

Run the device print demo. Open the serial monitor in the arduino IDE. When the "done" message appears, take the card out of the arduino and put it back into the computer. Open the file - there should be a long list of timestamps.

The bigger you intially make the file, the longer it will keep writing. It will keep going until there is less than 512bytes left IN THE FILE, the remaining bytes will be unchanged from whatever you filled it with initially (B=blank in my head).
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Thank you,Ttrialex.

I got that to work.  I put in about 15k of data, and got back time stamps up to approx 29450.  I guess that means about 30 seconds of writing.  That made me happy.

Now if I can just figure out how to enter data, collected from an exterior source, to the card using the arduino.  By that I mean, entering data on one of the arduino pins, binary 3 for instance, then have that data relayed to and entered into the SD card.
I'll be much happier if I can get that to happen.
  
Does the uFat example have anything to do with entering data?
The uFat example gives this result: "1 files found.",   "data.bin not present on card."  
 

Much thanks for the help
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@packrat

How much arduino or avr experience do you have? just out of interest, because sometimes it is easier to help someone when you know what they can or can't understand.

Anyway the deviceprint demo file really does show you a lot, it is an excellent example. Look for these two lines

Code:
   dp.print_P(PSTR("Time is now: "));
    dp.println(millis(), DEC);

So the first line shows you how to send a string to be saved to the card. The second line shows you how to log a variable, and go to a new line.

So you could write something like

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dp.println(analogRead(0), DEC);

and it would log the value on analog pin 0.
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Posted by: trialex Posted on: Yesterday at 22:55:01
@packrat

How much arduino or avr experience do you have? just out of interest, because sometimes it is easier to help someone when you know what they can or can't understand
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I'm very new at it, but I have managed to put together a couple of sketches that are somewhat above Blink, but much less complicated than this one.  Borrowing from arduino's playground, I put together sketches from which I can enter external data to an arduino, save the data to external eeprom, then read it back using a seperate arduino board. Not real complicated, and rather crude, I'm sure.

These SD sketches are rather complicated for me, since some of the commands aren't even listed in Arduino's Reference file, and the tutorial was obviousloy written for those that have had quite a lot of experience with, not only arduino, but with microconntrollers, programming and computer science in general. There are many terms in the tutorial that I had bever heard of, which were apparenty from old time computerese, much of it being terms that the reader "should already know"  Some of the nomenclature would make an army manual read like "Richard and Jane".

However, I will thank you for this last bit of information.  I had pretty much come to that conclusion myself.  If it works that will be great, if not, I will go back to plan 'A.67', which will be just using the eeprom, for data logging.  I don't plan on going much further than that.

Some other time.


 
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Looks like I got back just in time! Don't Jump!!

Unfortunately you can't pick up a violin and instantly play like Yehudi Mehuhin.  If programming was easy I'd be out of a job...
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I'm sorry to hear you're having a hard time with this. I think if you just  keep plugging away all those strange sounding terms will become familiar and slot into some order. It won't happen overnight but it's like building a lot of little bridges, you need the keystones in place to get any further.

You should be able to get from my demo app to a fully fledged data logger in very few steps. Would it help if I provided a new sketch which did the grunt work leaving only the bits needed to gather the data?
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