Highly Anticipated 32-bit "Due" due When?

pYro_65:
More expensive now, must be the currency conversion.

??? Mouser is still showing $36.49 for 1, $35.95 for 10, $35.29 for 100.

USD$36.49 = AUD$35.39 at today's exchange rate (1 AUD = 1.031 USD).

I think these are more realistic prices, FWIW. USD$49 struck me as a bit overpriced, given today's competitive offerings.

Don't know which page you were looking at, but I see:

Pricing (AUD)
1: $66.08
10: $64.30
100: $63.19

How about a couple of URLs, because when I go to "mouser" I wind up at au.mouser.com, maybe pico gets us.mouser.com or something.


Rob

Graynomad:
How about a couple of URLs, because when I go to "mouser" I wind up at au.mouser.com, maybe pico gets us.mouser.com or something.


Rob

The price has went up since the day of the announcement. It was 36.49 USD according to my e-mail receipt. Hope they don't raise the price I have to pay after the fact.

cyclegadget:

Graynomad:
How about a couple of URLs, because when I go to "mouser" I wind up at au.mouser.com, maybe pico gets us.mouser.com or something.


Rob

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Arduino/A000062/?qs=%2Fha2pyFaduiX3PyRmisFCpInBriEvfL876nY6z6rlhpKcLZlrhdRtA%3D%3D

The price has went up since the day of the announcement. It was 36.49 USD according to my e-mail receipt. Hope they don't raise the price I have to pay after the fact.

That link redirects me to mouser.be, price there is €40.36. And that is without tax, so I must add another 21% + shipping.

Here is the current pricing on the USA version of the site.

1: 	$48.95 	
10: 	$47.63 	
100: 	$46.81

It seems you can't get away from where you are, the link redirects me to au.mouser.com with these AUD prices

$66.08
$64.30
$63.19

$39 shipping
$105.08 total

Yikes!

Unfortunately I won't be getting one any time soon at that price :frowning:


Rob

@GRAYnomad

Is there a way to get around the price problem by having someone from the USA buy then ship to you or is it just the way the currencies work out? I am thinking it probably won't help but, it is a thought.

According to Google...
48.95 US dollars = 47.3221 Australian dollars
66.08 AUD = 68.3664 USD

If I buy them at 48.95, fly to Australia, sell them at 66.08, I would get 19.4164 (USD) per board. Hmm. What's the carry-on limit? 50 pounds? I wonder how many boards that is?

48.95 US dollars = 37.7322 euros
40.36 EUR = 52.3510 USD

Not as lucrative but it may pay for the plane ticket.

or is it just the way the currencies work out?

The AUS has been higher than the USD for a long time, so they should be cheaper here, not ~30% more :0

We normally get the "we have to ship them all the way to Australia" BS line but it's just as far from Italy to the US as it is to Aus. Heck I reckon Mouser is such a large customer UPS/Fedex almost pay them to do the shipping.

Is there a way to get around the price problem by having someone from the USA buy then ship to you

That would work, we'll see how things are after the dust settles. I've got some LPC code I wouldn't mind porting across, but it's not a priority at this point and I have other things to work on.


Rob

50 pounds? I wonder how many boards that is?

A lot, let me know the flight # and I'll meet you at the airport :0


Rob

I don't know about you guys, but after reading the stuff in the Due forum and elsewhere on the internet, I'm very disappointed by the new Due. No ethernet header, no RTC support yet, only 2 IRQs... I know this will be added soon but it sounds to me like it was still released too soon. There is already talk of future boards with additional hardware features (like ethernet) being released. I have cancelled my order and will continue to use the Uno and Mega for a while. Mostly because I have 20 or so shields I built or purchased that won't work with the Due without level translators (what a pain).

Bill

Bajdi:
That link redirects me to mouser.be, price there is €40.36. And that is without tax, so I must add another 21% + shipping.

It takes me to uk.mouser.com and gives me content in English and prices in Euro (40,38 €) but with the French-style decmal separator ("," rather than ".") :astonished: so think it is storing language and currency preferences in cookies.

Welcome to the world of "geographical restriction" pricing. Yes, it seems the rest of the world is indeed getting "special" pricing from Mouser (and an increasing number of other retailers are starting to do this too, apparently), which has nothing to do with exchange rates, it is simply opportunistic pricing (we will charge in each market what we think we can get away with).

One way to get around the websites picking up your country from your IP address is to use a VPN with servers in the US (if that's the location you want them to think you are coming in from.) Your next challenge will be to see if you can get them to ship outside the US if you use the US website to purchase from. If not, you may need to use a postal forwarding service, or get a friend in the US to forward it on.

Sucks, but that's the price you pay for not being smart enough to be born an 'mercan. Good luck.

But don't feel too bad. It looks like Mouser felt the 'mercans were getting too a good a deal, and so have put their prices up too (considerably! $36.49 -> $48.95 > 34% increase!) I wonder if the original $36.49 was simply a pricing error, or whether it has been "suggested" to them by the suppliers (i.e., Arduino) that they fall in line and stick closer to the list price, at least while the launch is underway.

I'd kill myself before paying the au.mouser.com prices, though. Someone at mouser must have had a bad shrimp off the barbie, or got bitten by a rabid koala bear or something.

Edit: Interesting link

Graynomad:
Unfortunately I won't be getting one any time soon at that price :frowning:

Well, to tell you the truth, I think even the US retail list of $49 is a bit overpriced, given the competition. You can buy a Teensy 3.0 from Paul for $19. PJRC Store (I don't know what the pricing is on au.pjrc.com is, though, LOL!) I suspect though that once the official launch is over the original Mouser pricing for the Due of ~$36 will become more like the normal street price. So I think patience will be rewarded. Either that, or you will have to be willing to pay a premium for the privilege of being a pioneer (you know, one of the guys with the arrows sticking out of his back...) :grin:

Yeah, but you'll have to get through the Arduino sniffer dogs at the airport. Maybe wrap them in bags of coke to put them off the scent?

Maybe wrap them in bags of coke to put them off the scent?

Would Pepsi work?


Rob

Graynomad:
Would Pepsi work?

Well, 8 out of 10 coke sniffer dogs said they preferred Pepsi after taking the Taste Challenge, so I don't see why not.

I have mixed feelings on the Due price.

As a customer, of course I want the lowest price I can get. When I saw Mouser had a low price, I immediately ordered 2 pieces. I didn't know if it was a promotional price or just a mistake. Since Tim (a.k.a. "MOUSER_EMBEDDED") posted the link to Mouser's order page, and Tim appears to a salesman from Mouser who has never contributed meaningfully to any conversation, I didn't feel too bad about taking advantage of the low price. I see it's now $48.95.

As someone who makes arduino-compatible boards, I actually think $49 is probably a pretty reasonable price for Arduino Due. First of all, they're making the boards in Italy, not China, and they're doing things like zero carbon footprint. At substantial volume, those aren't horribly expensive, but it's also a choice that locks out the absolute lowest possible cost production. Second, Due has a high-end ARM microcontroller and a LOT of parts on the board, plus a fairly large PCB built with a mix of surface mount and through hole parts. Looking over the schematic, they clearly went for a reliable, low-risk design rather then trying to optimize for low cost. For example, the 74LVC1G125 buffer between the 16U2 and the SAM3X could probably have been a couple resistors. Third, they are spending pretty substantially on engineering and also community building projects. Fourth, there is "healthy" profit margin for their resellers.

When the inevitable cheap Asian clones appear, it's a pretty safe bet they won't be incurring those costs. Well they'll probably incur #2, since they'll likely just copy the design verbatim, not even making the simplest of cost reductions like replacing that '125 buffer with a couple resistors. But they'll be using the cheapest/dirtiest Asian fabs, not spending anything on engineering or community (and they'll send all their customers to Arduino's community for support), and probably selling direct on ebay. Even then, Due isn't an inherently low-cost design, so I don't think we're going to see really cheap clones.

The SAM3X8E (sans errata) is a really amazing part. A built-in 480 Mbit/sec USB PHY is something very few other chips have (but how fast is really runs with software overhead remains to be seen). The SAM3X has a large flash memory and a pretty substantial amount of on-chip RAM. It's Atmel's largest, most expensive SAM3 part.

Then again, as a customer, the $35 + SD card price of Raspberry Pi is pretty appealing. Speaking only for myself, I would be hesitant to make any new hobbyist-oriented board that sells for more that $35.... but then I don't have a tremendous brand like "Arduino".

The SAM3X8E (sans errata) is a really amazing part.

Yeah, it has a lot of neat features many of which aren't implemented on the Due.

Massimo alluded to more boards coming out, I think they could produce a "pro" version or something with all the goodies on board.


Rob