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Title: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Dec 25, 2012, 06:13 am
While setting up my bench variable current/voltage power supply to put a equalization charge on a flooded lead acid, i stupidly forgot to turn the coarse current dial down before powering up the supply. As i turned the voltage up, i quickly knew something was up as the amps were ~3 at 14v. Before i could turn off the supply, or turn the current dial down, two electrolytic caps in the device blew, smoke came out of the device, and i immediately pulled the ac supply, turned the device off, and disconnected the lead acid battery.

I have done this before with the same battery/supply, but at currents below 1a. The purpose was to gas the battery, and attempt a bit of desulfation/overcharge on a heavily discharged battery. I think the high resistance of the battery was the issue here, as its not in great shape, but isn't dead either. I did not have a chance to check the wattage draw on my killawatt before the caps blew, but before, it was pulling ~20-30w when equalizing this lead acid at ~1a 15v.

I took the casing off, and saw two caps had blown open, one connected across the output terminals, (50v 470uf), and one on the regulation board above the multitap transformer (35v 470uf). No other visual damage was noticed, other than a short/broken trace next to the blown cap on the regulation board. I assume there was an ark there.

Is this something easily fixed by repairing the trace with a solder/wire joint, epoxying it to prevent future shorts, and replacing the caps?

Or did i just destroy my week old, semi-expensive bench supply beyond repair?

I know this isn't too specific as far as the details, but its a generic brand supply purchased off ebay.

Any ideas as to how this happened, or if i should attempt to replace the caps, and fix the broken trace? Any ways to test to see if that is the only damage done?

I really dont want to trash this supply, and i know its not returnable due to the sellers policy, but don't want to put myself at risk trying to fix it.

Any advice here is welcome, even if its what i don't want to hear (don't try and fix it yourself for saftey reasons).

Thanks-

Edit- heres the link to the supply in question-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/30V-10A-110V-Precision-Variable-DC-Power-Supply-w-Clip-Cable-Digital-Adjustable-/300833131292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460b0d4b1c

Can't find any kind of pdf schematic/datasheet, and all the info in the manual is pretty basic. Very hard to find info on this, makes me think i purchased a cheap POS knockoff, and a google search of the caps that blew turned up a few posts saying they were really terrible caps to begin with, JWCO brand. Might be ones from those bad batches made with stolen electrolyte formulas notorious for being of piss-poor quality, and having high failure rates. Badcap, the website has guides for replacing these as far as pc mobo/power supply blown caps, but this is a bit of a different situation.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Magician on Dec 25, 2012, 07:12 am
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Is this something easily fixed by repairing the trace with a solder/wire joint, epoxying it to prevent future shorts, and replacing the caps?

Unlikely easy to fix, probably caps were destroyed in consequence with diode bridge failure due over-current. Bad news,  would be a lot of damage parts, very difficult to fix - have to check up each components manually. No way for person w/o previous experience.

Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: MarkT on Dec 25, 2012, 10:48 am
You connected the battery backwards perhaps?  The output cap won't have seen 50V, so driving it backwards is the only likely way to
vaporize its innards quickly.  Might be other damage too if that's the case.

Or some other component failed upstream? 

Until you fix the obvious damage it'll be hard to tell.

You should always use a fuse inline with lead-acid batteries BTW, they can put out destructive currents if accidentally
shorted.

Find high-temperature electrolytics if you can to replace them, they will last a longer.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dc42 on Dec 25, 2012, 11:25 am
It does sound as though you connected the battery backwards. If you are lucky, it will be just the capacitors that have failed. I suggest you replace them, solder a piece of wire to bridge the trace that vapourised, and carefully test it, allowing for the possibility that the voltage regulation may have failed and you may therefore get more volts out of it than you select.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: borref on Dec 25, 2012, 11:44 am

You connected the battery backwards perhaps?

This is making a lot more sense than assuming the load killed it. A bench supply will (should)  protect itself against overload.

There is a protection diode across the bench supply output that will short input to ground in case of reverse polarity. The idea here is to allow a fuse to blow on the supply side (your battery in this case). The battery however is not fused and so damage will occur. I would attemt a repair by replacing what's obviously broken (the open capacitors, the PCB trace) and also the reverse protection diode.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Pallbearer on Dec 25, 2012, 02:50 pm
Chalk it up as 'experience', and put it on the shelf. Repair it later, maybe you can get a schematic for it. "Shotgunning" parts at it can be expensive and a waste of time. The 'inrush current' of a battery, which of course happens at the speed of light, can create a lot of smoke.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Dec 25, 2012, 03:59 pm
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I really dont want to trash this supply, and i know its not returnable due to the sellers policy, but don't want to put myself at risk trying to fix it.


Sounds like the only option is to hire someone to fix it for you, at a cost that potentially far exceeds that of a new unit.

Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Pallbearer on Dec 25, 2012, 06:39 pm
A little googling found this address....of the manufacturer. Email them for a schematic.

http://www.chinarek.com/
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Zapro on Dec 25, 2012, 07:00 pm
Yep, sounds like you connected the battery backwards. That is the only thing that could blow up the PSU.

Try to take some pictures of the boards that are affected. The circuitry in those kind of power supplies are dead simple, and repair should not pose any ptoblems, even requiring expensive parts. The only "advanced" part is the digital meters, but those won't be affected by your little stunt.

// Per.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: mauried on Dec 25, 2012, 10:52 pm
Unless the PS is a switchmode type , and most arnt , it will simply be a transformer, rectifier bridge, and
some kind of linear regulator, using either transistors or Fets, most likley transistors.
Easy to fix.
The only expensive bit is the transformer , and that wont be damaged by incorrect volts on the output.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Dec 26, 2012, 02:50 am
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Unless the PS is a switchmode type...


Trust me, this PS is a smps, with lots of electronics too.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Dec 26, 2012, 06:11 am
Wow, lots of advice, thanks  :).

I can't be absolutely sure i had the polarity reversed, but i doubt that was the case, as the lead connectors, the clamps to connect to the battery, and the battery terminals are all heavily visibly labeled polairty wise. Though, i can't be sure. I'm pretty ocd about polarity when it comes to lead acids though, but once again not 100% sure.

Would the fact that its a starter battery with a bit of sulfation be of use?

The link to the manufacturer, i don't think is correct. The only supplys they have are dualoutput, with that middle ma/a current square switch. As well, theres no 3010D i could find on that site.

Heres some pics of the supply, and the failed caps-

http://imageshack.us/g/1/9934491/

And the icing on the cake, albeit a bit off topic- My sparkfun package i misplaced earlier in the day just got ran through a snowblower while i was taking these pics, containing a DEV10618 Power driver shield. :0 All that survived was the pcb. Mosfets, and all the other parts are scattered throughout the snow, or shredded. I seem to be destroying electronics far more frequently than usual this week. XD Gave pops a bit of a spook though, thought he hit a quail or something  :D

Glad it wasn't something more expensive. But at the same time i remembered my dad (snowblower operator) went to school to learn electronics theory, and worked on copier machines and slot machines for about 10 years. He also has a bit of expirence in working on crt tv repair. I'll have him take a look at the PS as well, and see what he thinks about it.

Probably just going to order a mastech from their site. I think i bought a cheap chinese made knockoff, and i'd rather just eat the loss and get something quality. But if anyone has any advice on possibly fixing the defective one i have, i'd still like to get it working if i can.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: mauried on Dec 26, 2012, 08:46 am
Id test the 2 output devices, they look like transistors, with a multimeter for collector - emitter for short circuit
and if good , replace all the dead electrolytic capacitors, and turn it on with no load.
If it works, a cheap fix, if not then its likley that the fault will be hard to find , unless you are really keen.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: jackrae on Dec 26, 2012, 11:49 am
From your photos it's definitely not a switched mode type supply so an effective repair is a distinct possibility.  One of the capacitors you destroyed is the one that is crappily connected across the output terminals so in all probability the cause of failure was reverse battery connection.  First attempt would be to replace the two capacitors and with no load connected see what happens to the output voltage.  If the regulating transistors have no diode protection against reverse voltage connection then they may also be destroyed, but you won't really know until you power up.  Yes you could strip them out for testing but a simply switch-on will tell you lots with minimal effort.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: MarkT on Dec 26, 2012, 06:39 pm

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Unless the PS is a switchmode type...


Trust me, this PS is a smps, with lots of electronics too.



Care to change your opinion having seen the photos?
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Dec 26, 2012, 06:46 pm
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Heres some pics of the supply, and the failed caps-


That thing isn't worth fixing. The transformer is puny, and the heatsink is punier. I would say it is maybe 3amp capable, no way near its 10amp rating.

Chuck it up as lessons learned: the high cost of low prices.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Dec 27, 2012, 06:24 am
Alright. So when you guy are talking about the transistors that may have been shorted/fried, are they the two square white ones on board near the blown cap? Can someone point it out to me in one of the pics? There just a good # of transistors (mostly the small black d shaped ones) on that board, and i don't know what ones are the output ones.

And i definately agree its a pos supply. The only reason i'm attempting to fix it, is because in all likely hood its going to cost a few dollars for the caps, mabey a few more for the transistors. Even if its not capable of high amp output, if its repairable, the parts cost justify doing so relative to how much i paid for the device. At 3 amps it has plenty of uses, and eq charging fla's doesn't need high current (nor is it advisable) anyway. Just to have a cc/cv supply for charging batteries would be nice, even if it cant pump out 10a. I can't really imagine a scenario i would need the amperage its "rated" for anyway.

But a quality switching supply with overload/overvoltage and reverse polarity correction, like one of those EX mastechs, is defnately what i want, eventually. Just don't want to spend ~$175 on one atm. I'd rather buy a few caps, and possible a few transistors/diodes and make do. And if this is a linear supply, then i could have both, considering they both have their advantages/disadvantages when i do get a quality switching supply.

Also, if i got some heavy duty diodes, is there any way i could wire them up to the output terminals to prevent reverse polarity damage in the future? Perhaps some heavy duty schotty diodes? If so, would it just be connnecting them from + to -, one only allowing flow in one direction, and vice versa for the other? Mabey add some fuses there as well, since the fuses on the board and ac input plug diddn't prevent this failure? I'd imagine there some fairly simple way to use a few diodes and a fuse to prevent this from happening again (reverse polarity to a fla starter battery), or any load that can push back into the device the way the battery did.

I ordered some quality caps to replace the blown ones, and will test the transistors with my multi once i know which ones you guys are talking about. As far as the trace damage, i'm thinking a solder joint, and an epoxy coating (After replacing the cap of course since its fairly close to the solder joints) is the best way to fix that prob and prevent future arcing there. Is that correct? Or should i just epoxy the trace gap, find the nearest solder joint on each end of the trace, and solder a 16gauge copper wire to bypass the broken trace entirely?


Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Zapro on Dec 27, 2012, 08:10 am
You need to get to the power transistors and test those:
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4958/20121225021copy.jpg)



The white ones are Emitter-resistors, those are fine and don't need to be checked
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8268/20121225019copy.jpg)

See here how to test the Transistors:
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-test-Bipolar-Transistors-if-you-have-an-Ana/

// Per.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: jackrae on Dec 27, 2012, 10:02 am
With all due respect, since you seem to be somewhat lacking in knowledge on what a power output transistor looks like, then your chances of identifying the problem are pretty low.  Without a circuit dagram, someone who really knows what they are looking for will have to dig deep into their knowledge of circuitry to identify where the faults lie.    As previously stated, your best bet is to simply replace the damaged capacitors, switch ON and if it works, all well and good.  If it doesn't work, and you really want to keep it, then pass it onto a colleague who has the skills to trouble shoot.  Otherwise you could well be throwing good money after bad, with little chance of success.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: billhowl on Dec 27, 2012, 10:19 am
Here is the circuit diagram that I have found from Chinese website, it may be not the same as what you have but you got an ideas of how this type of power will look like.

And here is the manual explain the working of the power supply almost the same as this circuit diagram, hope it can help.
POWER SUPPLY USER MANUAL (http://www.customthermoelectric.com/power_supplies/PDF/VPS-3010D%20HY3010D%20User%20Manual.pdf)
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Zapro on Dec 27, 2012, 10:56 am
My best guess, replace the caps and see what happens. If it still does not work, replace IC1 & IC2, Standard opamps, and they have been nice to put them in sockets. I do not believe the 2N3055 is broken by that stunt.

// Per.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Dec 27, 2012, 03:46 pm
Go to radioshack and get a couple of those caps. Solder them in and turn on the power supply.

If it works, great.

If not, throw away the guts and reuse the case.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Dec 28, 2012, 12:12 pm

With all due respect, since you seem to be somewhat lacking in knowledge on what a power output transistor looks like, then your chances of identifying the problem are pretty low.  Without a circuit dagram, someone who really knows what they are looking for will have to dig deep into their knowledge of circuitry to identify where the faults lie.    As previously stated, your best bet is to simply replace the damaged capacitors, switch ON and if it works, all well and good.  If it doesn't work, and you really want to keep it, then pass it onto a colleague who has the skills to trouble shoot.  Otherwise you could well be throwing good money after bad, with little chance of success.


This sounds like good advice. I don't have much skills in circitry, but can test componenets and understand the basic principles behind the supply. I taught myself alot about dc electronics, and am just wading into learning how circuits work, so this may be beyond my skill level. I ordered some quality caps, ~5 or so of each (35v, 50v 470uf), i don't much care for radioshack, and would rather give an ebay seller my business, but regardless. They should be here in a few days.

If the caps/shorted lead patch/solder joint fix the problem, then huzzah. If the transistors are bad, i can replace those if necessary as well, so long as the repair costs are under $25 total. I'll have someone with a proper electronics education take a look at it (my father) after i replace the caps, fix the trace, and replace any transistors/diodes that may have been damaged, before powering it up again for saftey reasons. If he says scrap it for parts, thats going to be the gameplan unfortunately, he's fairly well educated in the matter, though has not worked in the field for almost a decade now. Still, he might be able to show me how/what failed, and if its repairable. Busy week with lots of snow in norcal, so it might be a few days before he has some time to take a look at it though.

Might make a nice vlra battery case you could stuff a charger in hooked up to a solar panel if its unrepairable. And i'm sure theres plenty of undamaged components i can scrap for future projects so its not all bad.

Its also relevant to know, it did not pop, and die immediately. The voltage/current display remained lit, but the loud cap pops and smoke made me disconnect everything as quickly as possible. I have not powered it up since then. i'll wait for the caps and trace/fix before plugging it in again.

Live and learn i guess. Should have just spend a  bit more on a mastech. Don't buy these knockoff pos's. Its like 50-75$ more for something quality and protected against stupid mistakes like reverse polarity connection of a fla.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Dec 28, 2012, 03:06 pm
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Should have just spend a  bit more on a mastech. Don't buy these knockoff pos's. Its like 50-75$ more for something quality and protected against stupid mistakes like reverse polarity connection of a fla.


It is not clear why it blew. It could be just due to poor design or poor quality.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Dec 30, 2012, 03:43 am
true, true.

The transistors tested ok, so i'm just waiting for the new caps to see if thats going to fix it. The cap's in question, i'e heard nothing good about, so quality issues definately could have been the cause of failure just going off that.

Or the caps could have been from that bad batch made with the stolen seret suace electrolyte formula from a few years back. Nothing is certain, other than the quality of this supply fits in line for what i paid for it. Lesson learned.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Zapro on Dec 30, 2012, 11:39 pm

true, true.

The transistors tested ok, so i'm just waiting for the new caps to see if thats going to fix it. The cap's in question, i'e heard nothing good about, so quality issues definately could have been the cause of failure just going off that.

No.

Quote from: Suaveman
Or the caps could have been from that bad batch made with the stolen seret suace electrolyte formula from a few years back. Nothing is certain, other than the quality of this supply fits in line for what i paid for it. Lesson learned.

No.

Quote from: Suaveman
Those caps do not just blow up out of the blue. You connected your battery backwards, and that blew them. Get over it, it has nothing to do with "cheap" capacitors. Even Nippon Chemicon's or ELNA won't tolerate that kind of abuse!

// Per.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Dec 31, 2012, 04:44 am
^^

Well yeah, your probably right. Though i cannot be certain it was connected with reverse polarity. The fact remains the cap quality has been said to be very poor for said brand. In all likely hood it was a reverse polarity stupid mistake, i was just commenting that the caps in this supply have been known to be crap quality. So don't buy the model i did.

I'll  concede it was almost certainly reverse polarity that blew them, but the fact remains you get what you pay for, and when you buy the cheapest possible option, issues like this are common.  Not to say the caps would have blown under normal use, just that they don't have a good rep. Perhaps they would have lasted, assuming i did not make the mistake i did, perhaps they would fail due to poor quality.

The point, is that while it was most likely my mistake that blew them, and any cap would blow in that scenario, they used poor quality components in this supply, and i got what i paid for.

In any case, the replacement caps arrived, and i'll be installing them once i have someone (my father) with a background in electronics take a look at it first. I'll update as to if the repair was sucessful or not when we have some time to take a look at it together. Forgive my rudimentary understanding of electronic circuits, and assumptions it was the low quality components and not user error that caused the failure. The fact remains though, the caps are known to be poor quality.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Jan 03, 2013, 11:13 am
Caps were replaced and shorts were soldered and epoxy'd over. Checked pos/neg out for a short, and sure enough it beeped at me. I'll tear it apart and start checking diodes, but at this point, i'd considering buying a new one, or looking into building one, with some bad-ass protection circuitry (diodes, fuzes, etc). Too late now to do any more work on the supply.

BTW, it wasn't plugged in when tested for shorts, and tested positive for shorts between the +/- outputs both with the power switch on/off. Does not powering it up have anything to do with it showing a short?
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Jan 03, 2013, 01:01 pm
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Checked pos/neg out for a short, and sure enough it beeped at me.


Depending on how you measured it, that can be "caused" by the capacitor.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Jan 04, 2013, 01:11 am
It was just a simple diode/short test, what would be the proper way to test it?

Check the resistance between the terminals?
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Jan 04, 2013, 01:56 am
Use your resistance ranges and measure it over a long period of time. For short bursts of tests, a capacitor appears to be short.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: smeezekitty on Jan 10, 2013, 11:51 pm

Use your resistance ranges and measure it over a long period of time. For short bursts of tests, a capacitor appears to be short.


Agreed. Personally I would just go for it and fire it up.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Jan 11, 2013, 02:23 pm
Alright sounds like a plan. I have some time to tear it apart again and test any diodes that may have been fried w/ the reverse connection, so i think i'll do that and if all is well, fire it up and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Jan 11, 2013, 03:10 pm
Yeah. You have nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: Suaveman on Jan 12, 2013, 08:23 am
Ok, so where the positive output is soldered to the board, there is a diode soldered to the same joint, inbetween the replaced cap, and the two white (resistors?).

It shorts both ways, but do i need to take it out of the board to test it? Or can you test a diode in circuit (used both my diode test, and ohmic resisitance functon on my multi, no resistance either way). Also, a resistor, right next to that diode/cap, 1k ohm, is shorted, looks like its burned up, and shows no resistance when measured with a multi.

And i finally found a bit more info, and the brand name for this supply-

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/beware-yihua-yh-305d-bench-psu/

From what that thread is saying, these are pos units. If i have spare resistor/diodes of the same rating laying around, i may attempt to replace them, but i'm not spending any more money trying to fix something thats, well, a piece of crap.

Anyway, i'll dig around and see if i can find the resistor/diode needed, i'll update if i can find what i need.

Heres some pics of the diode/resistor-

Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dc42 on Jan 12, 2013, 11:18 am
The 1K resistor looks OK to me, it may be connected in parallel with the diode.

If the diode reads close to zero ohms both ways round using the lowest resistance range of your multimeter, then either it or a capacitor connected in parallel with it is probably shorted. I would unsolder it - should be easy, it's a single-sided PCB - and test it again.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: MAS3 on Jan 12, 2013, 01:31 pm
If you are beeping for shorts, always remember how that works.
Most multimeters i have seen yet, beep upon a resistance of 1K or lower.
This means that beeping is more like detecting low resistance than really looking for shorts.
A low resistance could mean a short / defect, but could also mean it's designed that way.

So beeping will give you some idea as to where to look for a short, but will require you to do some closer investigation as to whether you just found a short, or a feature.
You can do this by checking the resistance, eventually taking one side of the component out of the board so you are sure other components have no influence to your test.
Beeping / diode testing probably gives you a reading (millivoltage) on your display, which depends of the type of diode you are testing .
You cannot make any consequenses out of your test if you don't know what the result with that specific part is supposed to be.
So you could ask here what results to expect, stating the exact component type you will be testing.
Or look it up in the component's datasheet.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: dhenry on Jan 12, 2013, 02:18 pm
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these are pos units.


Tell that to those folks who insisted on reverse polarity on your battery, :)

For powering up those unit, the typical approach is to put a light bulb in serial. If the light bulb glows, you have a problem.
Title: Re: Blown Caps in 0-30v 0-10a bench supply repair
Post by: smeezekitty on Jan 12, 2013, 09:11 pm


For powering up those unit, the typical approach is to put a light bulb in serial. If the light bulb glows, you have a problem.


I was just about to suggest this. It is called a dim bulb device and I use it all the time for powering up antique and questionable electronics. You can start with a low bulb and slowly go higher.

A small glow should be ok. Lighting up brightly indicates a short.