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Title: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 09:17 pm
i didn't know hooking up 100 RGB leds and setting up 100 instances of 17 leds and their colors was per instance was damn difficult! i am sorry i am new to arduino! i am starting to feel even more sorry i got the damn thing!

i'm told what i want to accomplish is not an easy thing.. how can it not be - they are just leds!!!

so if i cannot get help with my project (without giving it all away so somebody else can accomplish before me), then to heck with it!

just curious as to what Massimo would say.. would he say it's a hard thing to do what i am trying to accomplish? i bet he wouldn't and i bet he would even show you! but everybody seems to want to push more and more information about ones project before they offer help.. why, so you take over the project (as it has been done to me before a few times)?

really wish i could speak directly to Massimo... i would love to see what he has to say... but none of us will ever be that lucky to sit down with that guy.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 09:20 pm
whaaaat ???!?!?!  :smiley-eek-blue:

Front seat !
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: retrolefty on Dec 26, 2012, 09:23 pm
So the project you selected is beyond your knowledge and experience level and that is somehow the arduino or Massimo's fault?

It's common for many newcomers to arduino with limited programming and electronics knowledge to try and take on a project that exceeds their initial capabilities. You choices are to either take the time and learn the required programming and electronics skills yourself or provide enough information on what you are trying to do if you expect any outside help. It's not like we all here are going to sign NDA documents to work with you on it. It's kind of like "you get what you pay for", and free advice and help certainly fits that expression.

Lefty
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 09:33 pm
i never said it was anybody's fault, but after asking for help and people trying to keep pressing me for info i really don't want to give out.. before you know it my whole project is on the table wide open to anyone.. i want to be the first guy to accomplish this because it doesn't exist as of yet. believe me i searched and searched and searched!

i'm just saying if i can't get help or people are telling me what i want to accomplish is not so easy, then i would like meet Massimo himself and see if he would say the same thing or if he would actually sit down and show me. but like i said, none of us are that lucky to sit down with that guy. even just contacting him is a challenge!

between this forum and adafruit forum.. i just don't about this arduino thing. i coded in vb 6.0 years ago, so yes i am expected to be out of touch in coding.. but i never thought hooking up 100 rgb leds (and controlling them individually),and setting up 100 instances of 17 leds per instance was ever going to be said it's not an easy thing to by anyone! but apparently i was wrong..
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: retrolefty on Dec 26, 2012, 09:38 pm
I'm sorry your present skills and knowledge don't allow you to transform your idea into a real product by yourself, but again just learn the basic skills first before building your project, or share what information is required for someone to be able to help you. I don't get what your expectations are?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 09:48 pm
now, if i were to say that 4 grids would have to be made the same exact way and they would all have to work together.. then i could see someone say that was a difficult thing to do.


trying to accomplish exactly this: i cannot explain it any better

1.) 100 rgb leds
2.) 100 instances that light up 17 leds per instance (based on a users choice)

ex: if user selected "1", then a certain 17 leds would light up out of the 100 (some will be different shades of green), green will turn into red as needed - but that's important atm but the shades of green are.

the user will pick the instance through a 4 digit led (with 3 buttons.. up, down and set) ignore the set button atm.. the leds will light accordingly to the last 3 digits of the 4 digit led.. the first digit will be used as a letter. and we are not really even talking about the digit led.. except that the instance 1-100 will be select through it.

is that so hard? yet any help i have gotten, nobody has shown me the exact parts to get, nor any exact coding.. just thoughts
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 09:50 pm
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is that so hard?

No, it is very, very simple.

Now you need to tell us how these 300 LEDs are wired and what resources they use.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: CrossRoads on Dec 26, 2012, 09:52 pm
100 RGB LEDs, you can control 6 each with WS2803 with full color fade control, just need 17 chips if you don't want to muliplex them.

Available on e-bay (only place I've seen them in fact)
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=ws2803&_sacat=0&_from=R40
and only from 1 place in Niagara Falls, NY

Have read that WS2801 library is similar to what's needed for WS2803.

Or just wire up a chain of 100 of WS2801, and send out the 100 pieces of information needed for each RGB LEDs color based on your user input.

Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: liuzengqiang on Dec 26, 2012, 09:58 pm
If you need things like, coding for a simple project that is less than 100 lines of code, I might just type it up and post it here. What you need is around 300 lines of code. Nobody in their right mind will give you an exact code, since you don't say how things will happen exactly (your million dollar secret that everyone is going to steal). Nothing was said about how these LEDs will be wired, critical to coding. You are not just asking for a program, you are asking the whole thing. There is nothing simple about this idea you have. If you want some paid help, post on the gigs and collaborations board and pick someone you can trust. Lefty spelled out clearly what free help gets you. If I were Massimo, I'd be unwilling to help. There are plenty of people with their big ideas asking him I suppose so what's so different with your case?

What you need is paid help with NDA.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:00 pm
this is what i was told once: on adafruit forum

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Starting with discrete RGB leds, you are looking at 100 RGB leds, 300 resistors, and 300 I/O pins to drive them. The leds and resistors are straightforward enough. 300 I/O pins is a little more involved. The Arduino has 20. The Mega still only 69. You will need some port expanders like the MCP23017. You can chain up to 8 of these on an i2c bus for 128 pins. Using 'softI2C, you can create multiple i@c busses to get beyond that.


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There is no easy answer to your question


i don't know if they think everyone knows as much as they do or what.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:03 pm
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There is no easy answer to your question

That's complete nonsense.
There are many easy answers.
One involves a machine with 300 PWM resources.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:05 pm

If you need things like, coding for a simple project that is less than 100 lines of code, I might just type it up and post it here. What you need is around 300 lines of code. Nobody in their right mind will give you an exact code, since you don't say how things will happen exactly (your million dollar secret that everyone is going to steal). Nothing was said about how these LEDs will be wired, critical to coding. You are not just asking for a program, you are asking the whole thing. There is nothing simple about this idea you have. If you want some paid help, post on the gigs and collaborations board and pick someone you can trust. Lefty spelled out clearly what free help gets you. If I were Massimo, I'd be unwilling to help. There are plenty of people with their big ideas asking him I suppose so what's so different with your case?

What you need is paid help with NDA.


not asking for everything.. i just want to have some kind of schematic that's good for my project, show me the exact parts and how many i need.. show me some kind of exact coding.. yes 100 leds is a lot, but if i were shown say 10 i could do the rest.. give me some real help with my project... i mean really
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Arrch on Dec 26, 2012, 10:06 pm

not asking for everything.. i just want to have some kind of schematic that's good for my project, show me the exact parts and how many i need.. show me some kind of exact coding.. yes 100 leds is a lot, but if i were shown say 10 i could do the rest.. give me some real help with my project... i mean really


Are you really expecting someone to draw up a schematic and write the code for you for free, and anything less isn't "help"?

Wow... what has this world come to...
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:06 pm
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300 resistors, and 300 I/O pins


show me the parts, which resistors which i/o pins.. i don't know what they are..
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:07 pm
I mean, really!
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:08 pm
Quote from: Arrch


Are you really expecting someone to draw up a schematic and write the code for you for free, and anything less isn't "help"?


no, but damn give me something to work with..
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:09 pm
what do you really need?
a list of the parts required to build the project? CrossRoads has helped you with that
a description on how to connect the leds? well CrossRoads did give you the information, not the solution, but the location on where to find it. now its your turn.
the code for your project? visit my last two links, will point you to websites were people charge you for working for you. thats what you need.

The forum will give you hints on how to accomplish your project, but dont expect someone to sit down and make the project for you. and if so, where is the fun here? you wouldnt have learned anything.
Stop complaining and do some research on CrossRoads suggestions.
build a small project with fewer leds, say 10,then 20, then 50 and post your progress here, and your code and keep expanding.
you need to put some work in this, dont expect everything being done for you.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:10 pm

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300 resistors, and 300 I/O pins


show me the parts, which resistors which i/o pins.. i don't know what they are..


then start with this...

Arduino Basic tutorial 1 ... turning ONE led on !
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: retrolefty on Dec 26, 2012, 10:10 pm


If you need things like, coding for a simple project that is less than 100 lines of code, I might just type it up and post it here. What you need is around 300 lines of code. Nobody in their right mind will give you an exact code, since you don't say how things will happen exactly (your million dollar secret that everyone is going to steal). Nothing was said about how these LEDs will be wired, critical to coding. You are not just asking for a program, you are asking the whole thing. There is nothing simple about this idea you have. If you want some paid help, post on the gigs and collaborations board and pick someone you can trust. Lefty spelled out clearly what free help gets you. If I were Massimo, I'd be unwilling to help. There are plenty of people with their big ideas asking him I suppose so what's so different with your case?

What you need is paid help with NDA.


not asking for everything.. i just want to have some kind of schematic that's good for my project, show me the exact parts and how many i need.. show me some kind of exact coding.. yes 100 leds is a lot, but if i were shown say 10 i could do the rest.. give me some real help with my project... i mean really


Good luck with your pursuit. As you show no attempt at learning the basics like most of us, you will most likely find that your expectations exceed your grasp.

Lefty
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:10 pm
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no, but damn give me something to work with..

http://playground.arduino.cc//Main/InterfacingWithHardware#Output
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:11 pm

Quote from: Arrch


Are you really expecting someone to draw up a schematic and write the code for you for free, and anything less isn't "help"?


no, but damn give me something to work with..


http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/HomePage
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:12 pm
wow, does everybody take things the wrong way and/or turn things around?

i'm told all sorts of different things..

one tells me i need i/o pins, the other tells me there is no easy way of doing it, another throws code at me that i have never seen before and no explanation...  another one tells me things to get but doesn't show me exactly what they are.. and i'm supposed to learn?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:14 pm
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i'm supposed to learn?

Bingo!

Edit: Do you want me to move this to "Gigs and collaborations"?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Arrch on Dec 26, 2012, 10:16 pm

and i'm supposed to learn?


Yes, that's the point.

You seem to expect nothing less than a complete project explanation with schematics and code.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:17 pm
then show me the parts, which resistors.. i learn when i am shown and taught the right way.. don't just say go get "resistors" but not tell me which one.. that's no help at all!


i have leds, but they don't tell me anything about them..



and one learns from that? good job teaching.. not!
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:18 pm

then show me the parts, which resistors.. i learn when i am shown and taught the right way.. don't just say go get "resistors" but not tell me which one.. that's no help at all!

and one learns from that? good job teaching.. not!


hahaha you are funny!

ok, lets start from the beginning...
do you know how to connect a led to the arduino and to code it so it turns on and off?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:19 pm
don't tell me get drivers and not show me what it is.. yeah keep teaching that way.. everybody gets what you're saying that way
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: retrolefty on Dec 26, 2012, 10:20 pm

wow, does everybody take things the wrong way and/or turn things around?

i'm told all sorts of different things..

one tells me i need i/o pins, the other tells me there is no easy way of doing it, another throws code at me that i have never seen before and no explanation...  another one tells me things to get but doesn't show me exactly what they are.. and i'm supposed to learn?

Frankly because you seem to just want help to make your project idea a reality instead of asking help on how to learn to write your own sketches and learning basic electronic skills. You are looking for a short-cut and while that is at least honest it doesn't tend to generate the kind of help you are asking for.

Your project is large and complex and would never be a good choice for a beginner to start with. Arduino is not a plug and play or lego type activity, it's a learning journey and you haven't yet decided to start the journey with baby steps, but rather want help to jump to the end of the journey. Pay your dues or pay someone to build the project for you.

Lefty
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:20 pm
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good job teaching.. not!

I'm a really good teacher.
I teach people to SCUBA dive.
I haven't yet lost a pupil

Of course, I weeded out the ones who didn't want to learn before we even got wet.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:20 pm
Quote from: Sergegsx


ok, lets start from the beginning...
do you know how to connect a led to the arduino and to code it so it turns on and off?


obviously
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Arrch on Dec 26, 2012, 10:21 pm

then show me the parts, which resistors.. i learn when i am shown and taught the right way.. don't just say go get "resistors" but not tell me which one.. that's no help at all!


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+choose+a+resistor+for+an+led (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+choose+a+resistor+for+an+led)

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i have leds, but they don't tell me anything about them..


Well, typically components come with datasheets, so I would start with that...

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and one learns from that? good job teaching.. not!


You're expecting me to teach you? Did the tuition check you sent me get lost in the mail?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:23 pm

Quote from: Sergegsx


ok, lets start from the beginning...
do you know how to connect a led to the arduino and to code it so it turns on and off?


obviously


haha not so obvious from your posts.

So what you know to calculate the resistor based on the led, or you just get a random resistor and led?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: HazardsMind on Dec 26, 2012, 10:23 pm
You have a RGB led, and there is a RGB sketch at your disposal in the examples, try it.
Start with one, get it to work, then add more. Your resistors should be no more than 150 - 200 ohms.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:24 pm

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good job teaching.. not!

I'm a really good teacher.
I teach people to SCUBA dive.
I haven't yet lost a pupil

Of course, I weeded out the ones who didn't want to learn before we even got wet.


You really need to be a good teacher to teach SCUBA dive, same as skydiving and all of this sports.
Trust me, you teaching skills are not the problem here hehe
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:28 pm
Quote from: Sergegsx

So what you know to calculate the resistor based on the led, or you just get a random resistor and led?


i got a bunch off ebay.. no data - they were just rgb 4 pins.. came in a clear bag.. so, no i did not know how many i needed. i learned later on that i would need 3 resistors per led (still don't know which ones). then later on i needed i/o pins (never shown to me, so i don't know what to get).

so i'm to learn without being shown? nice way to teach a new person..
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:29 pm
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no data -

Tough break.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:37 pm
let me ask you something?
have you paid anyone to teach you? then why should any of us feel the need to do it? all you say is "how am i supposed to learn if you dont show me"

fix your manners and then we can try to fix your arduino problem.

lets start with inputs and outputs also know as I/O
Your input....ZERO, NADA !
obviously the output is ... THE SAME.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:38 pm
i'm not afraid to put my time in and my skills. i coded for years making websites, vb 6.0 and making a few simple ds games.. i have soldering experience..

i may have not touched coding in a bit.. i just need some help when it comes to something new! so please don't talk down to me or treat me differently. how many of you can say you made a ds game? or made a website for a major store? or made any pc software? ok then, if you're going to teach me - then teach!
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: liuzengqiang on Dec 26, 2012, 10:39 pm

wow, does everybody take things the wrong way and/or turn things around?

i'm told all sorts of different things..

one tells me i need i/o pins, the other tells me there is no easy way of doing it, another throws code at me that i have never seen before and no explanation...  another one tells me things to get but doesn't show me exactly what they are.. and i'm supposed to learn?


Yeah it's kind of random throw of darts. If you reveal your complete target, you will see darts thrown closer to that target. You are the only one with this idea and you want US to know what YOU need, you should do better in the project description department.

Someone pointed out arduino basic tutorial will help you learn to turn on one LED. You will need a different way to do 100+ LEDs but that's where you start, if you don't know resistors yet. There are standard answers to how to control 300 LEDs with arduino but the answer will not help you. You level up first. Come back after you master the basic tutorial and someone will point you to your next step or using shift registers to do a bunch of RGB LEDs using a chip called 595 to do single colors on and off or TLC5940 and some common anode RGB LEDs for color mixing. You go from there to your final project. You want the end result now, you should post on the gigs and collaboration board to ask someone to do it for you, for some payment.

Now you bought some ebay LEDs, :) no data sheets? Typical. Do you have the sales page, if you want some help on the LEDs and how to pick resistors?
I can't believe a dozen replies turned up between diaper change. You are really getting attention from across the globe now. Don't waste it with some negative replies.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:40 pm

let me ask you something?
have you paid anyone to teach you? then why should any of us feel the need to do it? all you say is "how am i supposed to learn if you dont show me"

fix your manners and then we can try to fix your arduino problem.

lets start with inputs and outputs also know as I/O
Your input....ZERO, NADA !
obviously the output is ... THE SAME.


yes, i paid a bit for php when i owned my former online mafia game..

i've tried to be nice, i have learned a few things being new to arduino.. c is definitely different than what i am used to i admit..
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:43 pm
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ok then, if you're going to teach me - then teach!

Some demonstration of willingness to learn would be appreciated.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:43 pm
taking a break here so i can go look at some links..
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:43 pm

i'm not afraid to put my time in and my skills. i coded for years making websites, vb 6.0 and making a few simple ds games.. i have soldering experience..

i may have not touched coding in a bit.. i just need some help when it comes to something new! so please don't talk down to me or treat me differently. how many of you can say you made a ds game? or made a website for a major store? or made any pc software? ok then, if you're going to teach me - then teach!


You are right I have not done that, I have done much bigger, complex and important things
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 10:44 pm

taking a break here so i can go look at some links..


ok! It was good fun  :smiley-mr-green:
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:45 pm
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Some demonstration of willingness to learn would be appreciated.


i did that when i first came here and the other forum.. kinda ran out in that dept when a bunch of people give me different bits and incomplete bits of information
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 10:47 pm
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a bunch of people give me different bits and incomplete bits of information
That's where experience and willingness to learn and filter come in helpful.

What "other forum" ?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 10:49 pm
ps,

never asked for anyone to "draw me up a "schematic" - but somebody could have pointed me to one that suits my project.. i haven't come across one as of yet - but hey, i'm not the one teaching am i?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Osgeld on Dec 26, 2012, 10:54 pm
have you learned about a single led and resistor yet? then take that and span it over 300 led's, your going to encounter more problems along the way but we can address them as they come up. You got to take some initiative and figure some of this out instead of carrying on this idea that someone is going to personally devote their life to hold you by the hand in every single moment of your project.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Arrch on Dec 26, 2012, 10:56 pm

ps,

never asked for anyone to "draw me up a "schematic" - but somebody could have pointed me to one that suits my project.. i haven't come across one as of yet - but hey, i'm not the one teaching am i?


So your frustration has to do with us not having a schematic at-the-ready to post for the exact specifications you are looking for?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: AWOL on Dec 26, 2012, 11:02 pm
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but hey, i'm not the one teaching am i?

There you go again with the "teaching" thing.

What do you understand by the term "forum"?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: CrossRoads on Dec 26, 2012, 11:03 pm
Read the datasheet for WS2803, develop your code from there.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Sergegsx on Dec 26, 2012, 11:04 pm
maybe this teaches you something....GOOGLE !

https://www.google.com/search?q=rgb+led+schematic+arduino (https://www.google.com/search?q=rgb+led+schematic+arduino)

that will be 5 dollars for the teaching leasson
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 26, 2012, 11:14 pm

100 RGB LEDs, you can control 6 each with WS2803 with full color fade control, just need 17 chips if you don't want to muliplex them.

Available on e-bay (only place I've seen them in fact)
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=ws2803&_sacat=0&_from=R40
and only from 1 place in Niagara Falls, NY

Have read that WS2801 library is similar to what's needed for WS2803.

Or just wire up a chain of 100 of WS2801, and send out the 100 pieces of information needed for each RGB LEDs color based on your user input.




this was helpful, thank you.. but i was actually thinking of multiplexing them.. not sure if that's the way to go tho.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: CrossRoads on Dec 26, 2012, 11:37 pm
I'd suggest starting with 1, get the resistance values figured out for your particular RGB LED, get some basic code to work to understand the datasequence needed, then build up from there.
To multiplex, you will need banks of PNP transistors or P-channel  MOSFETs to control the voltage to the parallel'ed LEDs.
What kind of architeture were you thinking?  'x' banks of 'y' LEDs using 'z' WS2803s?
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: Ruffsta on Dec 31, 2012, 09:06 pm
just pm'd you about that.. :)
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: rvasque on Dec 31, 2012, 11:34 pm
Me too!!!  I'm sorry, help!!!

Last summer, I bought an adjustable wrench. I want to build an engine, or a small transmission. But I don't have any clue about cars.

i'm told what i want to accomplish is not an easy thing.. how can it not be - they are just freaking bolts!!!
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: CrossRoads on Jan 01, 2013, 12:08 am
What he needs is not difficult - just 13 MAX7219's and 400 2-color LEDs, or 2 LEDs wired together as a 2-color LED.
Each MAX7219 driving 32 LED pairs. Piece of cake. No PWM needed.
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: creatrope on Jan 01, 2013, 11:41 pm
Perhaps you should inquire on reddit.com/r/vxjunkies

The VX crowd might be able to offer some insight into this problem.

I have a late 90s VX2, still works great, never saw the need to upgrade.

--creatrope
Title: Re: i am sorry!!!
Post by: CrossRoads on Jan 02, 2013, 01:06 am
What is "VX" in this context?