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Title: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: saavedra29 on Aug 18, 2014, 05:42 pm
Hello, is there an official release date?
If not about when is it going to be? Thanks.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Peter_n on Aug 18, 2014, 07:53 pm
http://blog.arduino.cc/2014/08/01/20-arduino-zero-dev-edition-available-for-beta-testing-join-us/

As far as I know the Arduino team doesn't have fixed dates ahead of things. When it is ready, it is ready.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: saavedra29 on Aug 19, 2014, 06:25 am
From the link you posted i see that it's not going to be released before the end of September.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Paul__B on Aug 19, 2014, 06:51 am
Arduino Uno means "one".

So there will be an Arduino Zero.

So - what comes next after that?   :smiley-eek:
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Aug 19, 2014, 10:22 am
Uno Due Tre Zero ...Quattro??   :~



Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 16-MHz on Sep 01, 2014, 09:19 pm
As far as I know the Arduino team doesn't have fixed dates ahead of things. When it is ready, it is ready.


Anyone know if there is a way to sign up for an email notification when they are released?   I checked, but I couldn't find anything...

(un-official: subscribed for repiles from this thread.   ;))
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: vffgaston on Sep 01, 2014, 09:30 pm
Quote
So - what comes next after that?   smiley-eek


"meno uno" (minus one)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Sep 04, 2014, 08:19 am
My guess is that it will be launched at the New York Maker Fair, or failing that at the Rome Maker Fair.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: arduidiot on Sep 04, 2014, 06:14 pm
my uno's are actually called elevens. is that what this is? please dont make me get another one i got a mega and two unos/eleven it will have to do something pretty cool to make me go down to jay car again
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Sep 04, 2014, 06:29 pm
Quote
my uno's are actually called elevens. is that what this is?

No, and they are not Unos either, they are clones.


The zero is more like the Due than anything else:-
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero (http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Paul__B on Sep 05, 2014, 12:06 pm

My UNO's are actually called elevens. is that what this is?

The "eleven (http://www.freetronics.com/products/eleven)" by Freetronics, marketed by Jaycar (or direct) is a UNO; an approved clone, physically enhanced as detailed in that link but electrically, entirely equivalent.  It is deliberately fitted with crystals in both positions instead of a resonator on the CPU; if anything it is somewhat better than a UNO but you can certainly consider it is equivalent.


Please don't make me get another one I got a mega and two UNOs/eleven it will have to do something pretty cool to make me go down to Jaycar again

We have no intention of forcing you to do anything against your will.  We may remind you whenever you mention doing something clearly unwise.  :smiley-eek:
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Eduardo741 on Nov 07, 2014, 11:23 am
After 6 months without any news it would be great to receive just a small info saying
Thanks.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: wholder on Nov 29, 2014, 10:05 pm
It seems this product must have died a quiet death, as nothing has been said about it in months.  Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Nov 30, 2014, 07:16 am
I think that no news just means no news.

The Due took well over year from being officially announced to being on general sale. Technically the software is still in beta another year after that. The wheels at Arduino run pretty slow, and the Zero is in partnership with Atmel, so they are a factor also.

I understand with the Zero there is a new IDE, so I imagine that will be taking a lot of time to get right. But on past trends I would expect it will be late 2015 before we see Zero on general sale.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Eduardo741 on Dec 15, 2014, 01:41 pm
A lot of guessing specially on the companion chip. This may be the point where ATMEL and Arduino have to find an agrement that lets the ZERO as well as the future mbed boards live peacefully side by side.

Technically speaking the guys at Arduino don't owe us users anything. However since they have "spoken" to us announcing the ZERO and we have listended to them it woud be correct and fair to let us know about the progress once in a while (>6 months now!).

Please guys, come one...
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Dec 15, 2014, 08:05 pm
If you are able to get to Vegas,USA in Jan then maybe you can get some info out of Atmel.. http://enable.atmel.com/CES2015 (http://enable.atmel.com/CES2015)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: BlackJester on Dec 17, 2014, 11:39 pm
So, when they say "zero" they mean "non-existent", vaporware?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Paul__B on Dec 19, 2014, 12:49 am
I did earlier comment on the novel naming.

Ground zero?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: neuromancer2701 on Jan 13, 2015, 07:29 pm
I was wondering if I have a Atmel SAM D21 Xplained Pro could I test any of the software eco-system for the Zero.  From what has been explained so far it looks like the Zero is just a Atmel SAM D21 Xplained Pro in the Arduino form-factor.

Thanks
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Eduardo741 on Feb 09, 2015, 10:42 am
The only info on the real thing available up to now.
https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1716
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Palliser on Feb 13, 2015, 03:24 am
Zero, Zero, Zero....
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: ShapeShifter on Feb 13, 2015, 11:43 am
Zero, Zero, Zero....
Perhaps that only works for Betelguese?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: AWOL on Feb 13, 2015, 12:58 pm
It says Feb 27th here (http://arduino.org/products)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 13, 2015, 05:54 pm
It says Feb 27th here (http://arduino.org/products)
Is that an official Arduino site?? I thought Arduino srl aka Smartprojects is not actually Arduino SA.

ETA: Well, this is interesting, surprised I haven't seen it before, it seems there are now two organisations laying claim to the name Arduino.

Some rumor : Arduino got in troubles, two corporates behind the boards (http://www.leonardomiliani.com/en/2015/arduino-nel-caos-due-societa-dietro-alle-schede/)

Some fact: Arduino, LLC v. Arduino S.R.L. f/k/a Smart Projects S.R.L. et al (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/massachusetts/madce/1:2015cv10181/167131) cause of action: Trademark Infringement

I'm not sure if Smartprojects are making the Zero and pre-announcing it, or if the "Zero Pro" is some sort of clone.

Very confusing, I hope the situation can be resolved.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:30 am
you can buy it here already:
--> http://www.robofun.ch/de/arduino-zero-pro.html (http://www.robofun.ch/de/arduino-zero-pro.html)
or here as well:
--> http://electronics.semaf.at/Arduino-Zero-Pro (http://electronics.semaf.at/Arduino-Zero-Pro)
and:
--> --> http://www.exp-tech.de/arduino-zero-pro (http://www.exp-tech.de/arduino-zero-pro)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: llegoff on Feb 27, 2015, 09:28 am
http://snootlab.com/arduino/874-arduino-zero-fr.html

but no information on the official site.
how to program this board that is not integrated in Arduino 1.6.0 ?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 27, 2015, 11:25 am
It's confirmed that the Arduino founders are in a legal dispute over the Arduino name. http://hackaday.com/2015/02/25/arduino-v-arduino/ (http://hackaday.com/2015/02/25/arduino-v-arduino/)

It appears Arduino Srl fka Smart Projects (Arduino hardware manufacturers) are going ahead with sale of what they call "Arduino Zero Pro", while the official Arduino company are not (yet) providing any software support for it in the IDE, unless they have an announcement in the works.

Note that the Smart Projects version of Zero is subtly different to the Arduino Zero on the official Arduino website.

If the Zero is being used a pawn in the struggle between founders, Atmel must be shaking their head in despair. Unfortunately when millions of euros at stake, otherwise reasonable people forget about "gentleman's agreements" and call in the lawyers. I am afraid Arduino is headed for a long legal wrangle, the future of Arduino is at stake.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 27, 2015, 04:42 pm
Arduino has forked. There are now two Arduinos, arduino.cc and arduino.org.

arduino.org have launched the "Arduino Zero Pro" with software support in their version of the IDE, while arduino.cc have not.

arduino.cc Zero

(http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/Arduino_Zero_front450.png)

Arduino.org Zero Pro

(http://www.arduino.org//images/products/ArduinoZeroPro-flat-org.jpg)


This is going to be massively confusing.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: ShapeShifter on Feb 27, 2015, 05:12 pm
This is going to be massively confusing.
As if that isn't confusing enough, the arduino.org Zero Pro is listed for sale on these previously reported sites, but they are using the pictures of the arduino.cc Zero, even showing the same serial numbers!

you can buy it here already:
--> http://www.robofun.ch/de/arduino-zero-pro.html (http://www.robofun.ch/de/arduino-zero-pro.html)
or here as well:
--> http://electronics.semaf.at/Arduino-Zero-Pro (http://electronics.semaf.at/Arduino-Zero-Pro)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: llegoff on Feb 27, 2015, 05:43 pm
the shematics of arduino zero pro :
http://download.arduino.org/products/ZEROPRO/Arduino-Zero-Pro-V3-SCH.pdf (http://download.arduino.org/products/ZEROPRO/Arduino-Zero-Pro-V3-SCH.pdf)

but no arduino version for programming the board!
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 27, 2015, 07:10 pm
Wow, I just don't see how this could get any more "confusingly similar".
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 27, 2015, 07:21 pm
Equally puzzling, why are Arduino, the famous Open Source Hardware company, still releasing "open" boards with proprietary components?

The firmware for the EDBG chip is closed, even though all it does is provide a COM port and downloader like on other Arduinos. Is it really going to kill Atmel to open source that?

So now we will have to fork the fork to create an Open Source version.

If you dig around arduino.org I think you can find software for the Zero Pro.

Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 27, 2015, 07:24 pm
Is it even possible for ordinary people to buy the EDBG chip?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: neuromancer2701 on Feb 27, 2015, 08:42 pm
It looks like the EDBD chip is just a 32-bit avr - AT32UC3A4128.  They aren't very cheap but you could almost uses one like a Dragon.  So you could make a Arduino Zero derivative without the EDBD functionality.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 27, 2015, 08:54 pm
Is the EDBD code for that AT32UC3A4128 published anywhere, even as a binary-only file?

I'm guessing Atmel considering that very proprietary?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 27, 2015, 09:58 pm
Is the EDBD code for that AT32UC3A4128 published anywhere, even as a binary-only file?

I'm guessing Atmel considering that very proprietary?
Perhaps not...

Is this the EDBG firmware ? https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/blob/ide-org-1.5.x-zero/hardware/arduino/samd/bootloaders/zero/bootloader_zero_pro_150223.hex (https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/blob/ide-org-1.5.x-zero/hardware/arduino/samd/bootloaders/zero/bootloader_zero_pro_150223.hex)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 27, 2015, 10:24 pm
The first line is this:

:10000000082C0020B9280000B5280000B528000001

The first 4 data bytes in reverse order are 20002C08, which is an address within the 32k RAM of SAM D21 (20000000 to 20007FFF).  That sure looks like the initial stack pointer, which ARM puts in the first 4 bytes.  The 2 lowest bits are cleared, as required for 32 bit alignment of the stack.

The next 4 bytes in reverse order are 000028B9, which looks like a thumb state program address (notice the LSB is set), also will within SAM D21's flash address space (00000000 to 0003FFFF).  On ARM processors, there's 2 instruction modes.  Cortex-M chips only support thumb mode, so address words always have their LSB set.  If the LSB is clear, it causes a hard fault because the chip doesn't support the other mode.

The next 8 bytes are similar-looking addresses (with LSB set), which would be the ARM NMI and Fault exceptions.  Then there's a string of zeros, which correspond nicely to the ARM exceptions that aren't implemented on Cortex-M0+, followed by a lot more groups of 32 bits that look like program addresses for the Systick exception and NVIC interrupt vectors.

I'm pretty sure this data is code meant to run on a Cortex-M0+, not an AVR32.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: westfw on Feb 28, 2015, 12:22 pm
ARM chips have a standard debugging interface.   The AVR32 code therefore can't be THAT difficult.  (Although: AVR32 is pretty obscure in general.)
This arduino.org fork thing is not good :-(
And it looks like the downloads (and source code) from arduino.org don't actually support the Zero at the moment.

Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 28, 2015, 01:23 pm
And it looks like the downloads (and source code) from arduino.org don't actually support the Zero at the moment.
Their github repo has a "ide-org-1.5.x" branch, which appears to have quite a bit of activity related to Zero.

Until this week, it looks like nearly all the changes were mostly stuff like this ("cc" -> "org")

https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/commit/2e26e881e4bc4e426ef1fe21e0e64eca7718cccf

Just a few days ago, it seems they've actually started working on the Zero code.  Such as....

https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/commit/a23b60d112809fdb8f96688c764e2e9a8a2c04f2
https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/commit/0ddf5ae508a2dc3c89e2e29e7d35ebf88b33a74b
https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/commit/da035f1d68bfd5f838543968b96fb9b1e61cfc6a
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 28, 2015, 01:50 pm
From the commit log, it looks like some devs who also worked on Yun are actively working on Zero support https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/commits/ide-org-1.5.x-zero (https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/commits/ide-org-1.5.x-zero), but this is not in the arduino.org downloads page yet. Perhaps they think it is sufficiently close to release to start selling boards, but what are the first customers going to use? And when will we get the first support question here?

Smart Projects seem to hold a lot of cards here, they already have manufacturing and distribution channels. I don't know how the sales work between Smart Projects and Arduino SA, but it seems Smart Projects could simply sell boards and keep the proceeds, if they believe they have right to use the Arduino trademark. The board design is open, as is the software, of course.

Arduino SA could set up their own manufacturing, but that would take time. I guess proceeds from hardware sales are significant, without that Arduino SA income is consulting and brand payments for "Arduino inside" etc. If Arduino SA seek an injunction against Smart Projects, then all hardware sales stop, which benefits neither party.

I don't know if Smart Projects are just trying to poison the well and seek a large payoff or other concession, but it seems their intent is to trade as Arduino and create a new Arduino organisation.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 28, 2015, 01:55 pm
Yeah, I'm also getting the feeling Linino (http://www.linino.org/) is heavily involved in all this.

There seem to be mentions in the code, recently being removed, of Linino.

Smart Protect's upcoming "Arduino Yun Mini" bears a striking resemblance to the photos on Linino's website.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 28, 2015, 02:18 pm
The Yun Mini appears to be exclusive to Smart Projects, so they seem to be capable of developing products without Arduino SA.

I guess that forks of Open Source software are quite common and perhaps inevitable, e.g. OpenOffice/LibreOffice. In those cases, there are no direct sales involved, and there is no dispute over the name. Although SCO sued over the ownership of Unix, it always seemed doomed to fail.

The dispute over the Arduino trademark is a simple legal question, but in principle anyone could fork the entire Arduino product line and brand it with their own name. Even if Smart Projects were forced to change their brand name, they can hire programmers, web designers etc to continue independently of Arduino SA.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Feb 28, 2015, 02:47 pm
The Yun Mini appears to be exclusive to Smart Projects, so they seem to be capable of developing products without Arduino SA.
The Yun Mini appears to be Linino One (http://www.linino.org/product/linino-one/).  It seems very unlikely Smart Projects actually designed it.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Feb 28, 2015, 03:23 pm
Not really the point, I didn't say they designed it. They didn't design Arduino Zero either, and nor did Arduino SA for that matter. Hardware and software designers are not that hard to find...

The point is they have contacts and resources to bring new products to market, in the same way Arduino SA  do. Smart Projects can survive without Arduino SA, and even seem to be leading.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: legonick22 on Mar 02, 2015, 07:17 pm
I notice that the link http://www.robofun.ch/de/arduino-zero-pro.html is selling for only ~$45.
I'm probably going to save some $$$, then take a leap of faith. If this works, I'm happy to get a tangible Zero, instead of the vaporware we see now with the .cc Zero.

Will there be any effort here to expand an IDE, be it 1.0 or 1.6, to the Zero Pro?

EDIT: I notice the Yun mini has 'Made in Taiwan' on it... the zero pro doesn't.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 02, 2015, 07:25 pm
Is it in stock anywhere in the USA?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: neuromancer2701 on Mar 04, 2015, 05:32 am
http://store.atmel.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10500372#tc:description
I am thinking of just getting one of these.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: legonick22 on Mar 04, 2015, 04:08 pm
That's not *quite* the same thing...
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: neuromancer2701 on Mar 05, 2015, 12:27 am
The Zero is just basically the D21 explained in arduino form factor. It even has the edbg. So if you could get an arduino zero pro it should work with Atmel studio.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 05, 2015, 03:59 am
I have one of those SAM D21 Xplained boards.  I also have one of the (real, not dot org) Arduino Zero beta test boards.

The Atmel Xplained board does not work with the Arduino (unreleased) beta software.  I didn't investigate why.  I only gave it a quick try, to see if Zero was somehow different than SAM D21 Xplained.  It is.

I haven't tried either with Atmel Studio.  I did recently buy an Atmel-ICE, with the intention of giving Atmel Studio a try soon.

I have not tried Arduino.org's software yet, other than a quick look at 1.5.8.1 to confirm it does not have Zero support.  One of the branches on their github does seem to have zero support, but I haven't gone to the trouble of building it.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: westfw on Mar 05, 2015, 07:53 am
Come to think of it, there is also Teensy++ 2.0, which is a USB-capable AVR (AT90USB1286) with 128k of flash.
http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensypp.html (http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensypp.html)
That's probably the closest thing to a Leonard or Micro with more memory that you're likely to find.

Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: avenue33 on Mar 07, 2015, 02:29 pm
Does someone know whether the coming Arduino Zero is supporting the mbed SDK?

The mbed SDK runs on a large choice of boards (http://developer.mbed.org/platforms/) based on ARM Cortex-M0, -M0+, -M3 and -M4 MCUs.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Mar 07, 2015, 03:01 pm
Currently, no. So far Atmel have not produced an mbed enabled board, an no-one else has either.

I expect Atmel at some point might get more involved with mbed, it is backed by ARM and gathers momentum. It is a more professional choice than Arduino.

A few people have looked at doing an mbed target HAL for Atmel chips, it is a big chunk of work, would really need a commercial sponsor like Atmel.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 07, 2015, 03:09 pm
.... have not produced an mbed enabled board, an no-one else has either.
Just a couple weeks ago, someone from mbed contacted me about a port they're doing for Teensy 3.1.  They're doing it, not me (full disclosure - I'm the guy who makes Teensy).  My understanding is it's currently only available in some beta version, but will probably move to their mainline version in a matter of months.  I personally haven't used it yet.

I've seen mention that several of Freescale's and ST's boards are already mbed enabled.  I personally haven't used those either, but I've seen the marketing material claiming they're mbed enabled.

I have no idea whether mbed plans to support Arduino Zero.  But from what I've seen, it seems the new ARM-owned mbed is interested in supporting pretty much all ARM-based boards.  Whether they're willing to touch a product that's the subject of an ongoing legal dispute / battle is a good question.  My guess is they and others will likely wait for the legal drama to conclude before doing much with Zero.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on Mar 08, 2015, 10:36 pm
Which Zero ?
Now there are two Zero (one US and one Italian) , two arduino compagnies, two arduino web sites and  a trial.
see here (http://popist.com/s/612c8d9/)

It's heartbreaking
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Mar 08, 2015, 11:58 pm
I emailed the editor at makezine about the Arduino dispute over 3 weeks ago, seems they have just caught up. I'd like to see Michael Weinberg's view on the legal issues.

Weird thing about the pricing of the Zero Pro, it seems to be more expensive than the Due?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 09, 2015, 12:17 am
Genuine Arduino Due sells at approx $50, right?

Isn't Zero appearing around $45?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Mar 09, 2015, 10:49 am
The sites I have looked at have Zero Pro more expensive than Due, here is 2 examples:

http://www.rlx.sk/sk/219-original-arduino-boards?p=2 (http://www.rlx.sk/sk/219-original-arduino-boards?p=2)
http://physicalcomputing.at/epages/f46ab952-295a-4f65-8ffa-38a4b8eec267.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/f46ab952-295a-4f65-8ffa-38a4b8eec267/Categories/EntwicklungsBoards__Tools/Arduino (http://physicalcomputing.at/epages/f46ab952-295a-4f65-8ffa-38a4b8eec267.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/f46ab952-295a-4f65-8ffa-38a4b8eec267/Categories/EntwicklungsBoards__Tools/Arduino)

Perhaps Due is priced low (about same price as Mega) because it does not sell much, and they are hoping Zero Pro will be more popular. As it is, it seems to be underpowered or overpriced. Most Cortex M3 chips are cheaper than atmega256, I can't see why the BOM cost justifies the price.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 09, 2015, 12:52 pm
Oh, yes, you're right.  I guess I wasn't translating Euros & US Dollars.

I too had expected they'd price it somewhere between Uno & Due.  Maybe the debugger chip is the justification for the higher price?

That seems like a tough sell without any debug support in the Arduino IDE.  Strategically, it seems crazy to drive users away from Arduino's software and onto Atmel Studio.  But then, splitting off from Arduino.cc in such a legally questionable and publicly dramatic way hardly seems like a good idea either!
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on Mar 09, 2015, 01:30 pm
Price of making a card has 3 main posts:
1) the number of components to be mounted
2) PCB area
3) development costs

Price of a micro-controller:
1) development cost
2) cost of housing
3) Once the manufacturing is  stabilized, cost of the  die depends only on the surface of the die.

Board sale price is the maximum price that buyers are willing to pay for the product.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 09, 2015, 01:35 pm
But will people be willing to pay that much for an Arduino brand Cortex-M0+ ??

Of course, it's only a matter of time until cheap Chinese clones without the debug chip hit the market.  Maybe the big name retailers (Sparkfun, Seeed, etc) will make their own clones?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on Mar 09, 2015, 02:00 pm
Quote
But will people be willing to pay that much for an Arduino brand Cortex-M0+ ??
For me  absolutely NO.
I would prefer STM32
- I/O 5 volts tolerant
- much output current capability
- Second function : much redirection capability
- very low price
- form factor board much suitable
- et caetera
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 09, 2015, 02:03 pm
But is there *any* STM32 with good Arduino compatibility?

Sure, there are lots of 3rd party products.  My own products, which I'm not here to promote or mention by name, work great with most Arduino libraries.  But that's because I personally port and fix nearly all libraries.

Is anyone really doing that for STM32?  Or is the very old & outdated Maple IDE what's currently used for STM32?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 09, 2015, 02:04 pm
Then again... it remains to be seen whether Arduino Zero will have good Arduino compatibility.  Due certainly doesn't.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: legonick22 on Mar 09, 2015, 04:01 pm
This whole issue's been around for a few months. I think it's unlikely that the legal battle will be resolved anytime soon.

Still... anybody up for trying out a ZERO PRO?

(offtopic)For me, I'm not THAT concerned about the Zero with the legal dispute. It's the TRE that I'm really worried about.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on Mar 09, 2015, 04:12 pm
Arduino Wiring  project with Hernando Barragan and Massimo Banzi exists from 2002.
The Arduino fork of 2005.
Is it not time to evolve ?
There is an enormous work to adapt avr librairies to ARM.
Rather than reinvent the wheel there is no better join forces.


There is Mbed project but  Mbed is too professional to DIY.
Mbed  is newer than Wiring / Arduino but not very far from the Arduino project.

There is room for a less professional approach with the same forum as this one which is the most successful of the Arduino project.

But it is not we who decide
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 09, 2015, 04:25 pm
Arduino Wiring  project with Hernando Barragan and Massimo Banzi exists from 2002.
The Arduino fork of 2005.
Is it not time to evolve ?
There is an enormous work to adapt avr librairies to ARM.
Rather than reinvent the wheel there is no better join forces.
On the matter of whether there's any fork of Arduino that really supports STM32 well, that sounds like a "no".
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Mar 10, 2015, 11:33 am
I found this 3rd party board with (a smaller*) SAM D21 (256k)
--> https://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html (https://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html)
it has no "debug chip",
it comes with a MSD-Bootloader.
(If you ask, you can get the sources of the MSD-Bootloader, from the seller)

*(it's a SAM D21E instead of the SAM D21G on the Arduino Zero)

--------------------

interesting as well:
from the release notes here:
--> http://www.arduino.org/arduino-software-release-notes (http://www.arduino.org/arduino-software-release-notes)
Quote
- gcc: introduce bin compiling for Zero Pro programming port
sounds to me that is will be possible to flash without using the "debug chip" (but to use other known ways outside the arduino ide)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: legonick22 on Mar 16, 2015, 03:19 pm
Arduino Zero Pro now available at Adafruit!
See for yourself! (http://www.adafruit.com/product/2417)
$50
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: CrossRoads on Mar 16, 2015, 03:28 pm
And not a single contiguous 8-bit port broken out at all...
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: legonick22 on Mar 16, 2015, 03:45 pm
@CrossRoads Why would you want one? The whole point of the Zero is 32 bit...
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: CrossRoads on Mar 16, 2015, 03:56 pm
So? This forces you into doing everything serially, can't read a port to get state of 8 pins together. Waste of hardware.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 16, 2015, 04:06 pm
Yeah, not good for libraries like UTFT.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobricius on Mar 17, 2015, 09:28 am
Hi, I tested now arduino ide 1.5.8.3 and confirm that is possible upload code to samd21xplained board via edbg on native port no activity, no enumeration.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobricius on Mar 17, 2015, 11:07 am
I am upload now arduino zero bootloader via edbg, now is possible upload sketch from arduino ide via native port without edbg chip
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on Mar 17, 2015, 07:55 pm
Hi, I tested now arduino ide 1.5.8.3 and confirm that is possible upload code to samd21xplained board via edbg on native port no activity, no enumeration.
That is the version of 1.5.8.3 from arduino.org, not arduino.cc presumably. And so it begins...
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 18, 2015, 12:37 am
I see Adafruit has now raised the price to $55, and their site says they're out of stock.

Not sure what that means, if anything?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Ernest_Santos on Mar 18, 2015, 03:07 am
I see Adafruit has now raised the price to $55, and their site says they're out of stock.

Not sure what that means, if anything?
It means that is what people in the U.S. are willing to pay for the Zero.  It's the same price as a Beaglebone Black, so I question the "bang for the buck" concerning this latest board.  I wonder where the DAC port is on the board, it wasn't silkscreened according to the pictures on her website.  I suppose it's to the left of the IOREF port?

Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: legonick22 on Mar 18, 2015, 02:06 pm
I'm betting it's out of stock because so many people know about .org .cc conflict and want a slice of the action.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: westfw on Mar 20, 2015, 05:34 am
So...  has anyone actually received a Zero?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 20, 2015, 10:42 am
Limor & Phil showed one on video.  They talked about Zero while very carefully & awkwardly avoiding saying anything about the conflict.  Phil starts out saying "Well, this is going to cause some problems..." at 37:59 and Limor says "we had the order booked already, so it's what it is".

https://youtu.be/eQ1lHWwdXYA?t=37m59s (https://youtu.be/eQ1lHWwdXYA?t=37m59s)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: avenue33 on Mar 27, 2015, 09:11 am
Arduino Zero Pro now available at Adafruit!
See for yourself! (http://www.adafruit.com/product/2417)
$50
$55 for a Cortex-M0? That's insane!

For $13, try new LaunchPad MSP432 (http://www.ti.com/tool/MSP-EXP432P401R) with a 48 MHz Cortex-M4F, 256 KB of Flash and 64 KB of RAM running on the same Wiring / Arduino framework plus RTOS capabilities (http://energia.nu/guide/multitasking/)!
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 27, 2015, 09:54 am
What precisely does "running on the same Wiring / Arduino framework" really mean?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobricius on Mar 27, 2015, 10:16 am
$55 for a Cortex-M0? That's insane!

For $13, try new LaunchPad MSP432 (http://www.ti.com/tool/MSP-EXP432P401R) with a 48 MHz Cortex-M4F, 256 KB of Flash and 64 KB of RAM running on the same Wiring / Arduino framework plus RTOS capabilities (http://energia.nu/guide/multitasking/)!
try compare comunity, libraries,  examples for msp430, stm32, nxp, atmel
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on Mar 27, 2015, 04:31 pm
Do not shuffle.
The libraries are mostly written by the community of volunteers, They cost nothing to the board manufacturer.
They do not have to be used to establish the price of the board.

The price of the board is a market price : The sellers have estimated the max price the customer accepts to pay.  This price has nothing to do with the actual price.

Mbed forum has now two sub-fora : Japaneese and Spain. It is important to note it.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Mar 28, 2015, 10:16 am
Looks like Federico Musto has posted his side of the story.

http://arduino.org/blog/1-the-new-blog/to-the-makers (http://arduino.org/blog/1-the-new-blog/to-the-makers)

I'm curious what everyone who's been waiting to hear the other side thinks?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: susan-parker on Mar 30, 2015, 07:25 pm
My Zero Pro arrived today (Monday), ordered from CPC Farnell on Friday... before I was aware of the Arduino camp split!

cpc.farnell.com/arduino/a000104/arduino-zero-pro-eval-board/dp/SC13792 (http://cpc.farnell.com/arduino/a000104/arduino-zero-pro-eval-board/dp/SC13792)

It has the grey headers, and Arduino.org info on back.

Now I just have to work out the best path to use it - go back from 1.6.2 to 1.5.8 or try to use it in Atmel Studio 6.2 ???
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Apr 16, 2015, 12:54 pm
What precisely does "running on the same Wiring / Arduino framework" really mean?
he is talking about energia --> http://www.ti.com/tool/energia#descriptionArea
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: jpalm32 on Apr 30, 2015, 03:11 am
Looks like Federico Musto has posted his side of the story.

http://arduino.org/blog/1-the-new-blog/to-the-makers (http://arduino.org/blog/1-the-new-blog/to-the-makers)

I'm curious what everyone who's been waiting to hear the other side thinks?
I didn't read ANY  side of a story in that link. What are you referring to?
I read a very clear side from CC though
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 06, 2015, 01:42 pm
I'll be releasing a version of the Zero soon myself if you don't want to throw money at the .ORG guy:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabidprototypes/neutrino-the-tiny-32-bit-arduino-zero-compatible (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabidprototypes/neutrino-the-tiny-32-bit-arduino-zero-compatible)

It's not a full size Zero, but rather a small board like the Mini/Micro/Nano with all the unnecessary bits stripped away to get the price down to where it's reasonable.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 08, 2015, 03:07 pm
I like the form factor, that of the UNO / Zero is unusable for a final product.
 
But I do not understand why continue with Atmel, micro STM32 are much more suited to our use and cheaper.
Few examples :
 - 90% of inputs are 5V tolerant, 0% with Atmel.
 - Outputs can deliver a much higher current
 - Output can have 3 different pass band. It is very useful to limit the time rise or time fall of a signal in case of long wiring.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 09, 2015, 01:59 am
Why do you need 5V tolerant inputs?

Why do you need high current?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 10, 2015, 07:29 pm
5 V tolerant:
It is obvious that we are in a transition phase between 5 Vlogic and  3.3 V logic.
It is obvious that we have to connect 5 V IC to other   3.3 V IC
It is obvious that we begin to enter a new phase where the circuits are supplied with 2.5 V.
For me it is obvious that circuits must at least accept two Vcc voltage .

Higher current.
I do not know how you work, but personally as a former analog electronics developer I have no difficulty to build  my own "shield",
For me the first criterion is price : sometimes due to  large volume effect it is better to buy ready made, sometimes not.

Common shields are designed for beginners so they incorporates all power interface and often there is no current problem.  In those I do, I put the power interface only if necessary.
Another point I refuse to work with the limits of the product so a micro that can be supplied only 6 or 8 mA does not suit me.

I protest against the 40 mA per output announced on Arduino's site.
These are Absolute Maximum Rating.

Atmel Normal conditions :
 For Atmel there is four conditions to  simultaneously satisfy:
   no more than 20 mA by outputs
  and no more than 150 mA per port in Source mode
  and no more than 100 mA per port in Sink mode
  and no more than 200 mA on Vcc and Gnd

Bandpass:
Have à look on the datasheet of the DUE  micro. Atmel says for reducing the ringing, designer have to add a 38 ohms serial resistor and PCB track must be 50 ohms matched.
Also read application note  : AN02 Atmel AT91-AT91 signal integrity product.

On the DUE board are the lines matched ?
Not obviously it is not possible to adapt 50 tracks to Zc = 50 ohms  without use a  4 layers PCB.
Width of a 50 ohms matched line with 2 layers PCB is 3 mm and only 0.5 mm with a "classic" 4 layers PCB.

Consequently, with Atmel SAM IC, there will be excess ringing. The ringing amplitude will depend on the how the wiring is realized.

I prefer the ST solution which offer solution of increasing  rise time and fall time of the signal which solve ringing.

I am not alone to be interesting by STM32
There is two threads in this forum :
STM32, Maple and Maple mini port to IDE 1.5.x (http://"http://\"http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=265904.msg1875036#msg1875036"")
Reply 2599,    vues  65 101
STM32 "for the rest of us" (http://"http://\"http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=310743.msg2154704#msg2154704"")
Reply 54        vues 1 501
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: austin11 on May 11, 2015, 11:25 am
I just heard that The new board comes with 256KB of Flash memory, and 32KB of SRAM. In comparison the 8-bit Leonardo which uses the Atmel ATmega32u4 comes with just 32KB of Flash memory and 2.5KB of SRAM.








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Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: lemming on May 22, 2015, 03:45 am
On the webpage http://makezine.com/2015/05/17/talking-arduino-zero-atmel/ (http://makezine.com/2015/05/17/talking-arduino-zero-atmel/) it states:

"...- the first batch should ship on June 9th".
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobricius on May 22, 2015, 08:27 am
I am near finish with my Winxi stick (named from wings), today I prepare specifications and schematic.

WINXI (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINXI-arduino-zero-compatible-stick-RGB-led-Micro-SD-AtSamD21E18-/321760966362?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Budvar10 on May 22, 2015, 01:49 pm
Very nice. :)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: PacoP on May 23, 2015, 01:29 pm
waiting the Zero, another SAMD21 has arrived :

http://arduino.org/products/arduino-m0

M0
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: PacoP on May 23, 2015, 01:29 pm
http://arduino.org/products/arduino-m0 (http://arduino.org/products/arduino-m0)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 23, 2015, 01:54 pm
The page looks like a copy-n-paste of the former "Zero Pro", with lots of language still present about the embedded debugger.  Sloppy, but that's pretty much expected.

Their page also talks about 16K of EEPROM, even going so far as to say "and up to 16KB by emulation of EEPROM (which can be read and written with the EEPROM library)".  But their software doesn't actually have a port of the EEPROM library (https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/tree/1.7.3/hardware/arduino/samd/libraries) for SAMD architecture.

They probably planned on copying a working EEPROM library from Arduino.cc, like they copy pretty much everything else.  But the real Arduino Zero page (http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero) was recently updated with a much more realistic statement about the EEPROM emulation.

I have a particular interest in this particular EEPROM feature, but only because several months ago I implemented EEPROM emulation for Teensy-LC.  I've been curious to see how either Arduino will do it for SAMD.  It's increasingly looking like neither of them will actually deliver a working EEPROM library on top of SAMD's flash memory.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 23, 2015, 02:09 pm
I am near finish with my Winxi stick (named from wings), today I prepare specifications and schematic.

WINXI (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINXI-arduino-zero-compatible-stick-RGB-led-Micro-SD-AtSamD21E18-/321760966362?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT)
Have you actually tested your hardware with a real SD card?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: PacoP on May 23, 2015, 02:29 pm
The page looks like a copy-n-paste of the former "Zero Pro", with lots of language still present about the embedded debugger.  Sloppy, but that's pretty much expected.

Their page also talks about 16K of EEPROM, even going so far as to say "and up to 16KB by emulation of EEPROM (which can be read and written with the EEPROM library)".  But their software doesn't actually have a port of the EEPROM library (https://github.com/arduino-org/Arduino/tree/1.7.3/hardware/arduino/samd/libraries) for SAMD architecture.

They probably planned on copying a working EEPROM library from Arduino.cc, like they copy pretty much everything else.  But the real Arduino Zero page (http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero) was recently updated with a much more realistic statement about the EEPROM emulation.

I have a particular interest in this particular EEPROM feature, but only because several months ago I implemented EEPROM emulation for Teensy-LC.  I've been curious to see how either Arduino will do it for SAMD.  It's increasingly looking like neither of them will actually deliver a working EEPROM library on top of SAMD's flash memory.
I will not be surprised to see quickly a port of EEPROM library on both Arduinos Zero or M0.
This competition is pretty good for the end-user.
After a long time of announcements, a lot of new products ( also IDE update) in just a few months
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobricius on May 23, 2015, 05:46 pm
>
Have you actually tested your hardware with a real SD card?
Not tested, I am waiting for official release. Now working only led flashing :)
I have 99% finished board with tesssy like pinout.
Arduino org is bad joke.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: PacoP on May 24, 2015, 03:33 pm
there are some versions on the market
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on May 24, 2015, 05:11 pm
http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/05/22/the-state-of-arduino-a-new-sister-brand-announced/ (http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/05/22/the-state-of-arduino-a-new-sister-brand-announced/)
July 9!
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on May 24, 2015, 06:19 pm
But the market has already been taken over :(
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 27, 2015, 03:20 pm
So that M0 board by the bad guys doesn't come with the EDBG chip?  Interesting.  That explains the "limited edition" stickers on the Zero Pro. I'll bet they haven't been able to get the chips from Atmel.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 27, 2015, 05:45 pm
I'll bet they haven't been able to get the chips from Atmel.
Looks like some (soulless) distributors are stocking the board.

http://www.amazon.com/Arduino-Zero-Pro-Cortex-M0-SAMD21/dp/B00US73ZIO/ (http://www.amazon.com/Arduino-Zero-Pro-Cortex-M0-SAMD21/dp/B00US73ZIO/)

Seems they must be getting at least some chips from Atmel?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 27, 2015, 07:49 pm
Personally I do not consider that I have to take sides for one or the other.
 I regret the separation, it is a dispute between Italian managed as in Italy. It is a culture that can be difficult to understand for non South European. As  French it is much easier to relativist the hardness of the conflict and I am convinced there will be a final agreement. Otherwise both will saw off the branch on which they sat.
 
Anyway I understand that some people want to choose their camps but that's not a reason to distort the truth.
Too bad faith produces the opposite effect to that intended.

Reminder:
 The facts: At the begining Arduino was a copy of Wiring.  It  is not an original work.
So a little modesty, thanks.

I'll stay only technical

The facts :
On the manufacturer who was the best in the world and now  hated there is  2 new product:
- M0 Pro that was called before Zero Pro, which comes with the EDBG IC.
This board uses a 4-layer PCB, hence probably the explanation for the price of 50 € excluding tax.
- M0 without EDBG IC which reduces costs: fewer component and perhaps circuit 2 layers. It is sold 20 € net: the same price as UNO. (schematics Coming Soon)

Neutrino :
His  form factor is very interesting but Neutrino is unfortunately managed as an avr  and not as an ARM, it is a Nano like.
ARM is not programmed in ISP but SWD.
The I2C and SPI are completely independent and have their reserved pins.
Placement of those pins in the middle of the board is an error because they are not easily accessible.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobcousins on May 27, 2015, 08:46 pm
When is the ZERO coming out?[SOLVED: June 9th]
Now July 9th... I expect it to be branded "Genuino". Nice to see Arduino.cc on the ball with trademarks.

To be honest, not taking sides is like saying when Germany invaded France, it was just a local dispute and no one else should get involved. Germany were banking on the British staying at home - fortunately they did not.

The facts: Massimo Banzi created the first "Arduino". Since then they have produced many board designs and thousands of lines of code, all licensed as Open Source. Completely free to download and use, don't even have to register your details for marketing purposes. That deserves some credit.

All Arduino.org have done is steal the distribution channel and trademark, now they are trying to steal the community. I note "68tjs" is one of their participants...coincidence?

In the Arduino.org manifesto, they commit themselves to NOT being Open Source. They are the worst sort of money grabbers.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 27, 2015, 09:12 pm
I agree absolutely.  Anyone with half a conscience would naturally take sides when they see a well-intentioned group that's worked hard for years to share & build community being taken advantage of my another group whose only motive is their own financial gain.

Arduino was indeed based on Wiring, and Wiring was based on Processing.  But Wiring didn't call itself "Processing" and attempt to surplant the original Processing project.  Likewise, Massimo & David didn't try to call their project "Wiring" and insist it supersede the original.  When Wiring was making and selling boards, they didn't try to take over Wiring's sales channel and cut off all revenue for the original project.

Sure, Arduino became much more successful than Wiring in the long run.  But that happened because of honest hard work, not underhanded business trickery.

More importantly, each of these projects added significant value.  After 10 years of history and many thousands of commits on Google Code and then GitHub, Arduino has made massive changes and improvements over the original code base.

In contrast, Smart Projects has done little more than copy Arduino's code and design and brand.  Very little new development has occurred.  The GitHub repository for Arduino.org has relatively few commits, and most are involve simply changing names, ID numbers, or re-importing the Zero beta test code or a motion sensor library (which they also didn't write).  A few minor bugs have been fixed, but otherwise Arduino.org has so very published very little improvement AND they've done it in an underhanded manner designed to capture all the money from sales of boards.

Nobody has to take sides.  But anyone with any reasonable sense of right vs wrong can clearly see who has worked for 10+ years to build community and share technology development versus who is in this only to steal all the profitable windfall based on other people's hard work.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 27, 2015, 09:20 pm
@68tjs - If you have any financial relationship with Smart Projects or Federico Musto (or the many companies he's created), you really should think of how they will treat you, long-term!  These people appear to be very unethical.  If they are willing to steal Arduino's brand & cheat them on royalty payment, consider how they will eventually treat you?  Especially if you have been promised a percentage or share of some business, given all the other stuff they have done to others, why would they be honest and fair with you?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 27, 2015, 10:00 pm
Quote
I note "68tjs" is one of their participants...coincidence?
Absolutly NO.  I am honest.
But you if you were honest you would have quoted my message, but really in this forum passion trumps reflection.

Notice that I have kept the same name and I do not seek to hide. I'm not sure that's the case for everyone.

The facts and nothing but the facts on my message on Lab arduino.cc

Several times on this forum there have been requests to simply follow the guidelines of the Atmel AN042.
I speak in particular of AVcc filter inductor.
Application note AVR042 edition of 3 April 2011 page 14.

As I avoid talking without knowing I watch new schemes of arduino.org
I could see that this inductor has been added . It is normal that I manifest my satisfaction after many request on arduino.cc

In  Arduino avr code for many functions it remained in the version of the fork.
Look at the current code Wiring and you will see the progress Wiring realized.

However once again in this thread it is not possible to discuss calmly and without bias.

I find it funny that the same person, who did not stop criticizing the Arduino team because she was not listening to the community, now consider that the team is made up of perfect people.
Similarly, the team suddenly comes to realize that she could no longer ignore the comunity .
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 27, 2015, 10:17 pm
@68tjs - If you have any financial relationship with Smart Projects or Federico Musto (or the many companies he's created), you really should think of how they will treat you, long-term!  These people appear to be very unethical.  If they are willing to steal Arduino's brand & cheat them on royalty payment, consider how they will eventually treat you?  Especially if you have been promised a percentage or share of some business, given all the other stuff they have done to others, why would they be honest and fair with you?
Your words violating the forum rules of politeness.

I could have written that you are very, very, very, very close to the Arduino team and therefore you should speak on behalf of the team and not in your own name.
I could have written that by pretending to be an independent you distort the debate.

But ,although I am sure, I had the decency not to do it and I do not regret it because this is my conception of politeness.


You do not understand, you do not want to understand, that I am no more in Banzi for Musso.
I am only for honesty and truth.

Gentlemen continue to worship your guru, I am and I would remain free.

Questions :
Since how many month the Tree is announced ? Oh sorry we don't have to count in month but in years !
Since how many month the Zero is announced ? To day one year it seems ?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 27, 2015, 11:28 pm
If you are only for honesty and truth, why would you defend a company that claims it owns the Arduino brand, but for many years printed a notice on every product's packaging that it was made under license arrangement?  Not a very good example of truth, is it?

If you believe only in honesty, how could you align yourself with a company whose CEO held a press conference where he claimed Massimo Banzi would be stepping down to an advisory role, because he was the new CEO, without even first talking with Massimo!?  Not very honest, is it?

Your "questions" seem to be about the speed of product development, not honesty or truth.  Consider the Arduino Zero was in beta testing, with MANY known problems in the version of the code when Arduino Srl released "Zero Pro".  Arduino Srl knew or should have known it was not ready for widespread use.  But they started selling the Zero Pro anyway, publishing Arduino.cc's source code, which Arduino.cc did not approve for public distribution.  How does that align with your values of truthfulness and honest behavior?

Quality product development takes time.  Arduino.cc has been slow.  But they have also been very honest and they have acted with integrity.  The same can not be said of Arduino Srl.  If you truly are only for honesty and truth, I do not see how you could support a company that has lied, cheated and stolen.

This is, of course, only my opinion.  You may believe I'm impolite, but I do not see expressing an opinion, which is founded in facts, as rude.  Either way, it's my opinion, and while I've contributed heavily to Arduino for many years, my opinion is not necessarily speaking for Arduino.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 28, 2015, 12:24 am
Dispute beetween BANZI and MUSSO are not my problem.

I am not a judge

It is the problem of the Court.

In France "tant qu'on n'a pas été déclaré coupable par le tribunal on est considéré comme innocent".

Problem with french --> use google translator

finish for me
good luck.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on May 28, 2015, 07:09 am
But you are taking sides. It is not a legal argument it is a moral one. Sadly the courts do not often get morals correct.

You are the one defending this piece of scum.

That piece of French is only true for criminal cases and this is not a criminal case it is a civil one.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 29, 2015, 04:17 pm
Looks like some (soulless) distributors are stocking the board.

http://www.amazon.com/Arduino-Zero-Pro-Cortex-M0-SAMD21/dp/B00US73ZIO/ (http://www.amazon.com/Arduino-Zero-Pro-Cortex-M0-SAMD21/dp/B00US73ZIO/)

Seems they must be getting at least some chips from Atmel?
Well my theory was they got those chips from Atmel before the fight became public. And now whoever's still selling them is just selling through whatever .ORG was able to manufacture with the chips they were given.

But I could be wrong.  I was under the impression .ORG had removed the Zero Pro from their website, but apparently they just replaced it with the M0 Pro and they have the M0 the debugger as well. 

So I dunno.  All I do know is that Atmel has gone to great lengths to hide the part number for that EDBG chip.  I found it once in a datasheet stating it was a factory programmed... something.  I can't remember what exactly, and I can no longer find the reference to it, but I'm pretty sure it's running at 96MHz and more powerful than the M0+ it's debugging.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 29, 2015, 04:38 pm
Neutrino :
His  form factor is very interesting but Neutrino is unfortunately managed as an avr  and not as an ARM, it is a Nano like.
ARM is not programmed in ISP but SWD.
I think you're confused. The Neutrino can be programmed via the USB port or the SWD header.  It cannot be programmed via ISP.


Quote
The I2C and SPI are completely independent and have their reserved pins.
Placement of those pins in the middle of the board is an error because they are not easily accessible.
Only one of the SPI ports is placed in the middle of the board.  There are two on the Neutrino.  And the I2C pins are broken out on the edge of the board next to that second SPI port.

I chose not to break out the second SPI port to the edge of the board because I wanted to make the board as small as possible.

Also, if you're going to use the board on a breadboard it's just as easy to plug cables into the SPI header as it would be to plug them in alongside the board.  I did so in my Kickstarter video to drive a display because the beta version of the Zero code base doesn't have support for the second SPI port. 

And if you're going to piggyback the board onto a board of your own design and you need those pins, again you can just as easily access them as the pins along the sides, using either a socket or just soldering a header into it to connect it with through holes.

No solution is going to be perfect for everyone, but I did put some thought into the decisions I made about placement. :)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 29, 2015, 04:46 pm
Now July 9th...
Where are you getting this info?  The only mention of it I see is on the blog where I assume whoever wrote the post made a mistake, because the video says June 9th and I see no mention of the release date being pushed back. 
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 29, 2015, 05:53 pm
@ scswift
Other products soon available even on Ebay  (20 $):
Mattair Tech LLC (http://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html)

Probably many equivalent products will come out. The competition will be tough.
The board Zero, expensive, will be used for debugging.
The equivalent of something like "m null not pro" without  debugging IC and therefore less costly will be implemented in the achievements.

I think LLC team should,  rapidly, to take an interest in the "null model without debuging IC" and also to DIP board.

@others :
Like what I'm not a henchman of SRL as small mind decided..
My interest is to have the good product at the good time and at the good price.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on May 29, 2015, 06:39 pm
My interest is to have the good product at the good time and at the good price.
So just selfish then with no regard for morality, you will go far, I hope it is away from me.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 29, 2015, 08:58 pm
A good price:
A product at the right price does not mean the lowest price, absolutely not.
When will you stop distorting my writings?

A good price means that after having counted all the costs (R&D, packaging, distribution, and so on)  a moral seller does  not to abuse of the situation.

Excuse me, but, when I see on store(s) Arduino(s) that DUE board (36€) is sold the same price as Mega (35 €) I am unpleasantly surprised even if I know that PCB and packaging coasts are the same.
But there are more components on a DUE as on a Mega and whether for LLC or SRL that is exactly the same price.

It makes me feel LLC (and srl) would stop avr board.
It is certain that with ARM they hope to be better protected from the Chinese concurrency.

When I see sellers in the US or EU which sell exactly the same products that can be found on Ebay 4 or 5 times cheaper , same picture, same PCB reference, same chinese site they are not counterfeit product, even with taxes and implement labor costs I say these sellers although they are in the US or EU have no morality.

I remember my first board, it was an official UNO R2 purchased from an authorized dealer Lextronix (France).
This board  was sell with a buggy bootloader who refused to work with win7 and Linux.
There was absolutely no information on the Arduino site, nothing.

A small retailer  help me by explaining  problem and helping me to flash the good bootloader .
I was very angry when I learned that the solution had been found three months before and that there was absolutely no information on the Arduino site.
I fully accept that someone makes errors. But it's innaceptable not tell.

It is disrespectful to the customer. This is another kind of morality.
I have the same moral as the seller.  Morality is an exchange.
One more time SRL is not better than LLC.

A good product is the correct date:
When you developed products what would have happened if you had done your customers wait for two years without giving them any information? I think they would have changed supplier.
I worked during 40 years in industry, products are announced only after to have a functional prototype not at the beginning of development.

On this forum LLC is 200% white  and SRL is 500% black .
There is no room for various shades of gray.
Either you are a worshiper who approves everything either you're a traitor.

And especially not any reasoned analysis:
Article 1: chief is always right
Article 2 : when the chief wrongly see Article 1
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on May 29, 2015, 11:26 pm
Quote
It is disrespectful to the customer. This is another kind of morality.
I have the same moral as the seller.  Morality is an exchange.
One more time SRL is not better than LLC.
Makes no sense at all. I suppose that is because you are French.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on May 29, 2015, 11:59 pm
68tjs:

There are no shades of gray on this.

Massimo and the others, including the guy who runs the .ORG site, created the Arduino.  What each of their contributions was exactly isn't clear, but it doesn't really matter.  What matters is that they went into business together as friends who would share equally in their success.

But then one of the friends - the guy that was running the manufacturing side of things - got greedy and secretly registered the trademark for Arduino in Italy and refused to turn it over to the team so everyone would have an equal vote on the future of the Arduino. 

He then used his control of the trademark to force the team to continue having the boards manufactured in Italy.

Now, maybe you don't care about this friend stabbing the others in the back.  But most in the Arduino community support Massimo and his team.   

And regardless, even if the only thing you care about is whether the end user gets a fair price, consider this: The Arduino has likely been more expensive than it needed to be for a long time because this one dude prevented the rest of the team from moving the manufacturing overseas where it would be cheaper.

So, either way you want to look at it, this dude screwed people over.  He screwed his friends, and he screwed the Arduino community.  And ultimately, even if he wins his lawsuit, he still loses, because the community at large will never accept him as the creator of the Arduino.  One only needs to look at the hundreds of angry messages left on his GitHub changelog to see that.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on May 30, 2015, 12:06 am
Gianluca Martino is far from the only person responsible for the actions of Arduino Srl.

Federico Musto now appears to running the company, as its new CEO.  He is very likely the man most responsible for all the recent actions.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: 68tjs on May 30, 2015, 01:16 am
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Makes no sense at all. I suppose that is because you are French.
I really enjoy this kind  argument. They usually arrive when we no longer know what to say.
They debase only their author. As for me it does not hurt me, it make me smile.


Damage I had hitherto good opinion of you.
Your technical remarks are relevant,  but I definitely will stop there.

It is not worth wasting time answering me I no longer would consult about it.

Bonne soirée.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on May 30, 2015, 07:05 am
How many times do you want to say you are finished with this thread before you actually are?

I have had to work with many nationalities in my work and the French were the most illogical and intractable. It is my experience. You do nothing to detract from this sterotype.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Jun 01, 2015, 09:29 pm
It seems 68tjs's support of Arduino.org is born from dissatisfaction with Arduino.cc, mostly due to quality problems with an Uno R2 board he purchased (not clear if it was genuine or a clone), and partly from an opinion that Arduino.cc is slow to develop new products and improve the software, and partly due to the pricing of genuine Arduino brand products.

Others have mentioned a lack of participation on this forum.

I believe Uno R2 did have quality problems.  The PCB layout around the crystal was greatly improved by R3.

Speed of product development is difficult to evaluate.  Certainly Arduino.cc has announced new products very early and then spent 1+ year developing the software support before release.  Every indication so far is Arduino.org appears to be adopting a faster hardware release process.

But is releasing hardware quickly a good thing, if the software is done poorly?  I believe anyone who's tried using the Zero Pro board could agree the software is not working properly.  It was not ready for release, but Arduino Srl released it anyway.  Since then, they've shown no significant work to fix the software bugs.  That's not very surprising, since they copied all the software from Arduino.cc, with basically no work on their part to develop any of the code.

Perhaps it is "French Logic", but I can not understand how anyone unhappy with the prices or pace of software development could feel Arduino Srl is any better!  They are continuing the same pricing.  Despite the high prices, they appear to be investing almost nothing in software development.  They also appear to be answering questions on their forum with only clueless answers that avoid the questions.

I will admit, Arduino.cc has been slow and has not always done everything optimally.  Nobody is perfect.  But it is utterly illogical to support another company that is clearly even worse, no matter how unhappy you might be.  It just make no sense.  Well, at least not in English.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: westfw on Jun 01, 2015, 10:05 pm
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Arduino.cc has announced new products very early
It's an Atmel tradition!  :-(
One reason that Due was delayed was that the sam3x chip was delayed.
The Atmel eDBG chip still isn't shipping from any of the usual distributors.  Perhaps arduino.org has a special deal, or perhaps this is delaying Zero as well.
I wish that Arduino Mega had been a 32MHz Xmega chip.  But the Xmegas were delayed even more than usual for Atmel.

I was hoping that Zero would be an Uno-replacement - similar price with faster cpu, more memory, AND debugging.
That seems unlikely, now.  .org didn't deliver it; perhaps the inability to maintain their profit margins was a factor in the whole mess.  We'll see what happens next week.   It would be ... interesting ... if the arduino.cc Zero ends up being a lower-priced board manufactured by Baite (apparently one of the more respectable Chinese manufacturers/distributors.)  That's not what I expect, but...

(Baite sells the Teensy2++ on Aliexpress AT FULL PRICE.  Which is also "interesting.")

Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: lemming on Jun 10, 2015, 04:22 am
The 9th of June has come and gone but still no sign of Zero.  :(
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Jun 10, 2015, 07:23 am
Isn't it the 9th of July?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Jun 10, 2015, 07:52 am
in Massimo's Video from "Maker Faire Bay Area 2015" he said "9th of June",
so the media "retweeted" this as well (for example:
http://www.golem.de/news/maker-faire-2015-arduino-heisst-jetzt-auch-genuino-1505-114089.html (http://www.golem.de/news/maker-faire-2015-arduino-heisst-jetzt-auch-genuino-1505-114089.html) )

but then a few days later here on the blog
http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/05/22/the-state-of-arduino-a-new-sister-brand-announced/ (http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/05/22/the-state-of-arduino-a-new-sister-brand-announced/)
it was stated the 9th of July ...

that's arduino  ;)
(maybe a simple misspell though)
_____________________________________________________

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Probably many equivalent products will come out. The competition will be tough.
The board Zero, expensive, will be used for debugging.
I think so too.
As an Atmel fan I watch some similar projects with this processor family:
- https://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html (https://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html)
- https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabidprototypes/neutrino-the-tiny-32-bit-arduino-zero-compatible?ref=nav_search (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabidprototypes/neutrino-the-tiny-32-bit-arduino-zero-compatible?ref=nav_searchhttp://)
- https://www.tindie.com/products/femtoduino/femtousb-atmel-arm-cortex-m0/ (https://www.tindie.com/products/femtoduino/femtousb-atmel-arm-cortex-m0/)


Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: bobricius on Jun 10, 2015, 08:19 am
in Massimo's Video from "Maker Faire Bay Area 2015" he said "9th of June",
so the media "retweeted" this as well (for example:
http://www.golem.de/news/maker-faire-2015-arduino-heisst-jetzt-auch-genuino-1505-114089.html (http://www.golem.de/news/maker-faire-2015-arduino-heisst-jetzt-auch-genuino-1505-114089.html) )

but then a few days later here on the blog
http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/05/22/the-state-of-arduino-a-new-sister-brand-announced/ (http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/05/22/the-state-of-arduino-a-new-sister-brand-announced/)
it was stated the 9th of July ...

that's arduino  ;)
(maybe a simple misspell though)
_____________________________________________________

I think so too.
As an Atmel fan I watch some similar projects with this processor family:
- https://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html (https://www.mattairtech.com/index.php/development-boards/mt-d21e.html)
- https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabidprototypes/neutrino-the-tiny-32-bit-arduino-zero-compatible?ref=nav_search (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabidprototypes/neutrino-the-tiny-32-bit-arduino-zero-compatible?ref=nav_searchhttp://)
- https://www.tindie.com/products/femtoduino/femtousb-atmel-arm-cortex-m0/ (https://www.tindie.com/products/femtoduino/femtousb-atmel-arm-cortex-m0/)



And do not forget best atsamd21 board > Winxi :D
WINXI (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINXI-arduino-ZERO-Pro-M0-compatible-stick-RGB-led-Micro-SD-AtSamD21E18-/321760966362?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Jun 10, 2015, 01:31 pm
And do not forget best atsamd21 board > Winxi :D
WINXI (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINXI-arduino-ZERO-Pro-M0-compatible-stick-RGB-led-Micro-SD-AtSamD21E18-/321760966362?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT)
nice !
I put it on my list ;-)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on Jun 10, 2015, 02:27 pm
The 9th of June has come and gone but still no sign of Zero.  :(
Well, Adafruit is manufacturing them, and they only seem to launch new products on Wednesdays, so... maybe we'll hear something today?

As long as it's out by the 9th of July I'm good.  I just ordered the second prototype of my Neutrino last week and the order status at Macrofab changed to 'processing' on Monday.  Given it takes around three weeks to manufacture them, I probably won't be seeing those until the first week of July anyway.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: tapanther on Jun 10, 2015, 07:34 pm
So yesterday afternoon (~6pm, PST), the Arduino US store (1) listed the Zero as available. I immediately ordered one, and I got a confirmation email moments later. I checked again this morning and it's again listed as "Coming Soon", but I haven't received any emails about my order.

Maybe the number available is limited due to manufacturing limitations (Adafruit only recently started producing Arduinos), and they're quietly selling them in batches. Alternatively, maybe it was a bug in the store and I shouldn't have been allowed to place the order.

Did anyone else manage to get an order in?

(1) See the "Buy" page, one of the tiles says "Arduino Store USA"
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on Jun 10, 2015, 07:40 pm
What was the price of it?  And did they have an updated photo?

[edit]

Ah, I see it's listed there, with a price. 

Hm, that's odd... the photo looks like it might be old as its kinda low quality and it says made in the EU, so that's clearly not the one Adafruit is manufacturing. 

Also, I wonder what that jumper on the right side was for?  I don't recall seeing that on the new photos.  It seems like it might be connecting one of the pins to the SPI header.  If I didn't know they'd kept the reset pin there, I'd think it was a chip select.

 
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Jun 10, 2015, 07:47 pm
yes it's the old photo ...

--> http://store-usa.arduino.cc/products/abx00003 (http://store-usa.arduino.cc/products/abx00003)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: tapanther on Jun 10, 2015, 11:05 pm
So I just got an email informing me the shipping label has been created. I'll let you guys know if I see it available at the store again.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Jun 10, 2015, 11:23 pm
Looks like the price will be $50.

I'm sure the many already-in-development debug-less clones, just waiting for the final Arduino.cc release, will be happy to see that high price.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on Jun 10, 2015, 11:41 pm
It's out! YAAAAAAAAAY!  ;) :D ;D 8) ??? 
http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/06/10/arduino-zero-for-purchase-15th-june/ (http://blog.arduino.cc/2015/06/10/arduino-zero-for-purchase-15th-june/)

But it will be $49.90!  :smiley-money:
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Jun 10, 2015, 11:53 pm
I'm sure many debug-less clones will appear soon.  Several already are announced, and it seems they're all targeting the $20 price range (which could get you much faster, larger memory, very well supported Cortex-M4 based board my little company makes, by the way).

It'll be interesting to see if they've changed the pin mapping since the early beta, which Arduino Srl released.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on Jun 11, 2015, 02:17 am
Just wondering, what pin is the DAC on? The main page for the Zero says there is a 12-bit DAC. Will that be on the unused pin?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: scswift on Jun 11, 2015, 03:07 am
The DAC is on pin A0/24.  The pin mappings on my board are all the same as the Zero:

(http://i.imgur.com/FMKWyxrl.png) (http://imgur.com/FMKWyxr)


It's also 10 bit, not 12 bit, but 10 bits isn't too shabby, and with the ability to do 350K samples per second I believe by using dithering one could get more bits of precision out of it.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Jun 11, 2015, 09:22 am
I like as well the fact,
that arduino.cc will use an open source flash tool (BOSSA (http://www.shumatech.com/web/products/bossa))* (on the PC-Side) for the Zero's "native USB Port",
in conjunction with the stock SAM-BA Bootloader** on the MCU-side.

so one is able to design own boards (without "debug-chip") with similar stock Atmel MCUs (SAM D21 Familiy) and still use the Arduino IDE with uploading via the "native USB Port" ...

*(--> https://github.com/shumatech/BOSSA/tree/arduino (https://github.com/shumatech/BOSSA/tree/arduino))
**(--> http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-42366-SAM-BA-Bootloader-for-SAM-D21_ApplicationNote_AT07175.pdf (http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-42366-SAM-BA-Bootloader-for-SAM-D21_ApplicationNote_AT07175.pdf))

http://www.atmel.com/images/Atmel-42366-SAM-BA-Bootloader-for-SAM-D21_ApplicationNote_AT07175.zip (http://www.atmel.com/images/Atmel-42366-SAM-BA-Bootloader-for-SAM-D21_ApplicationNote_AT07175.zip)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: federicofissore on Jun 11, 2015, 03:16 pm
tapanther, we found some last minute IDE bug we are fixing. As you can read from the blog, zero will be generally available since June 15th. Your order is being processed.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on Jun 11, 2015, 05:04 pm
So A0 stands for 'analog 0' and 'analog out'?
(OK, bad pun)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Dirk67 on Jun 15, 2015, 04:47 pm
couldn't wait ;-)
so I ordered one from the US-Store for Germany today:

$49,90 + $7,10 shipping = $57,00 (~50,70€)

credit card payment only -> why no Paypal ?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on Jun 15, 2015, 06:26 pm
Well, just to see I put a ZERO in my Store USA cart. The shipping is only $2.54 to CA!
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: adamj537 on Jun 26, 2015, 09:31 pm
I've got two Zero boards!  Fired one up, and it seems to work fine :)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jun 26, 2015, 10:10 pm
Quote
I've got two Zero boards!
Zero plus zero is still zero.
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: pjrc on Jun 26, 2015, 10:31 pm
but what is zero divided by zero?
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jun 26, 2015, 10:58 pm
but what is zero divided by zero?
Simple, it is zero or infinity or in fact any place in between. ;)
Title: Re: Is there any official release date for the Arduino Zero?
Post by: Isaac96 on Jun 27, 2015, 04:18 pm
I love these numbers! Especially i (the square root of -1).