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Title: About "free samples"
Post by: deivs001 on Nov 19, 2008, 06:00 pm
I have seen in some pages there are possibilitys to order free sample, but when I fill the form, there is place for Company Name. Can I lie there? ;D
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: xollox on Nov 19, 2008, 06:46 pm
I put "company confidential" and no one seemed to care.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: tedder on Nov 19, 2008, 08:12 pm
Having a business license makes this really easy- it's also easier to write off projects on your taxes.

Having said that, I don't go for free samples, I figure it's a bad idea karmically (it's meant for people who will buy large lots).

I don't judge against people who do, that's just me.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: drone on Nov 19, 2008, 08:12 pm
I don't think they care all that much - I just make something up. =)

!c
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: clayga on Dec 10, 2008, 11:56 am
I just put "N/A" - best to be up-front, I always feel...if they don't want your business, they can always say no!  ;)
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Archive555 on Dec 23, 2008, 07:51 am
I'm gonna try for some samples, so what should I select for 'Potential Production Quantity' and 'Parts per Board'? Just a random number for the last one? The minimum for the quantity, I should imagine.

EDIT: Just ordered. They should contact me soon. Wish me luck! ;)
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: kg4wsv on Dec 23, 2008, 03:01 pm
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what should I select for 'Potential Production Quantity' and 'Parts per Board'?

Just tell 'em the truth.  I haven't seen the "parts per board" question, but there's nearly always a selection like "< 1000 per year" on the production quantity.

-j

Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Tomo on Dec 23, 2008, 06:39 pm
I just put my name for the company and am always totally honest about the production quantity, etc.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: westfw on Dec 27, 2008, 12:53 pm
I've been through the whole gamut of samples, from highschool student claiming to be a company, to college student asking for a sample for my senior design project (telling the truth), to (eventually) working for a company that was so successful that asking for a sample brings immediate offers of a visiting sales teams baring presentations and design assistance (and I carefully tell them that no, this is for a hobbyist project and not for the latest company product.)  In most cases, the truth works just fine and companies are happy to send you samples; all things considered, it's cheaper than most forms of advertising, and a lot more effective because it reaches the people with a genuine interest in the part.  (and I've a fond place in my heart as well for companies whose "free drawing" at trade shows are actually for THEIR products instead of some ge-gaw of the day (iPods are popular; I've even won one.  I'd rather have the STK-500 or the Rayven, thank you very much...))
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: halley on Dec 27, 2008, 03:13 pm
So far I've felt too guilty to even try to request free samples.

I just looked at the MAX7221, which in single quantities is over ten bucks.  Plus the shipping.  Yow.  On the one hand, that's the difference between affordability and not, for small projects.  On the other hand, that's an even bigger "how do they think they get more profit out of me by giving it away" guilt.

I want SparkFun, etc., to source a few thousand of these matrix driver packages (significantly less than $5 in quantity), so they can reduce the single-quantity pricing!
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: westfw on Dec 28, 2008, 12:42 am
Yeah; I tend to avoid sampling any product that I wouldn't actually buy (ie because it's too expensive or not available.)  Sometimes I think some of the Maxim parts are over-represented here (in Ardunio-land) simply because people are using the free samples.   The MAXxxxx display drivers people are using to avoid having to do their own multiplexing are a good example; they're more expensive than the AVR chip used on the arduino, even in quantity...
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: jluciani on Jan 03, 2009, 04:53 am
"deivs technology" should work ;)
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: westfw on Jan 03, 2009, 07:37 am
BTW, if you're at any kind of school, I think most companies would be more than happy to send samples to you via your teachers, or to a school address.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: kg4wsv on Jan 03, 2009, 03:15 pm
I just looked at Microchip for a samples order, and they've gotten a bit less generous since I last ordered.  The limit for me was now two different devices max of 3 units each, and the real kicker is a US$7.50 handling fee.  That's not unreasonable, but for the parts I need it's about the same price as just buying them from Digikey (assuming I get enough stuff to avoid the minimum order fee, which generally isn't a problem).

They're also advertising a 2 to 3 week delivery time, where I've had Digikey orders ship the same day I ordered them.

-j

Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: TheWire on Jan 08, 2009, 05:17 pm
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Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: drone on Jan 09, 2009, 12:19 am
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I want SparkFun, etc., to source a few thousand of these matrix driver packages (significantly less than $5 in quantity), so they can reduce the single-quantity pricing!


And miss out on at least $4 in profit?  Sheesh!

Would $9.50 be enough, or how about $8.99? =)

!c
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: halley on Jan 09, 2009, 05:36 am
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And miss out on at least $4 in profit?  Sheesh!


I absolutely want vendors I like to make a healthy profit.  Since these parts are popular in the hobby community, it seems to fit their part line, and customers save the double-shipping whenever one vendor has two related products, over having to shop two vendors.

But as you say, even shaving off a buck gives them a healthy markup.  This balances the risk of not selling all their lot, and the other costs incurred for each catalogue item.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Jassper on Jan 24, 2009, 09:16 pm
Note about free samples.

This all depends on what exactly it is you are requesting for, but mostly applies to semi conductors and the like.

The free samples that you receive are (usually, but not always) chips that did not meat the manufactures specs. There is nothing Wrong with the chip per-say, but something caused it to be rejected. It may be something as small as a pin being 0.0001mm out of alignment or the marking might be slightly smudged. These "rejects" are often given away as "Free Samples" or otherwise thrown out.

As far as the manufacture loosing money, not to worry - they would have to give away a hundred times more than they sell to loose money. Once the master plate is made, they can run thousands a day for pennies. This is the same reason that the latest CPU is > $2000.00 when first manufactured and a year later you can buy it for $89.00 from Tiger direct. Once the R&D and initial run is paid for, the rest is 98% pure profit.

So if you only need 1 or 2, go for that free sample. It actually cost Mouser or Digikey more in processing your $2.00 order than its worth. If the manufacture don't offer free samples, call them. Tell them you are a student or hobbyist, most places will be glad to send you 1 or 2 as long as you pay shipping.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Jassper on Jan 24, 2009, 09:43 pm
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I just looked at the MAX7221, which in single quantities is over ten bucks.  Plus the shipping.  Yow.  On the one hand, that's the difference between affordability and not, for small projects.  On the other hand, that's an even bigger "how do they think they get more profit out of me by giving it away" guilt.


Maybe I can help you this time ;)
See if this will work as a sutable replacement, $3.55
http://avnetexpress.avnet.com/store/em/EMController/Bus-Line-Transceiver/austriamicrosystems/AS1106WL/_/A-7547200/An-0/R-7547200?action=part&catalogId=500201&langId=-1&storeId=500201

Here is the Datasheet,
http://www.2k1.co.uk/components/austriamicro/AMS_Displays_Interface_ICs_Catalogue.pdf
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jan 26, 2009, 11:20 am
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The free samples that you receive are (usually, but not always) chips that did not meat the manufactures specs.


Well no actually.

Free samples are given to engineering companies to see if the part is suable for a product. These samples are often subjected to rigorous tests and failure to comply will rule out that manufacturer from ever being chosen for a volume order. I know that is the way it works at any company I have ever worked at.
Therefore a manufacturer would be a complete fool to offer "seconds".  
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Jassper on Jan 26, 2009, 01:17 pm
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Free samples are given to engineering companies to see if the part is suable for a product. These samples are often subjected to rigorous tests and failure to comply will rule out that manufacturer from ever being chosen for a volume order. I know that is the way it works at any company I have ever worked at.
Therefore a manufacturer would be a complete fool to offer "seconds".  


Well, Thats true to an extent, like I said, it all depends on what you are asking for. A new product is one thing, a 555 timer is already proven.
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: jluciani on Jan 26, 2009, 03:23 pm
I would also be surprised if a company ships rejects to someone evaluating
their products. Risk a sale, tarnish your reputation for a part that costs you
ten or twenty cents to make? Also you would have to have separate
stockroom space to hold rejects. It is more trouble than the cost savings.
I can see the end of the quarter push when you run out of the "good stuff"
and someone ships the "samples"  ;)

I worked at Analog Devices and Harris Semiconductor (now Intersil) and never
heard of this practice. I think the more likely scenario would be to dump the
rejects in a bin and sell them to a surplus house.

(* jcl *)
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: Nachtwind on Jan 26, 2009, 03:39 pm
just as a side question to that whole sample ordering business..
From what i have been experiencing it is 'harder' to get any parts on DIP base than anything else.. am i right, or just browsing the 'wrong' companies?

By the way - i was rejected once although suppliing them with (real) project and company data... so rejecting does happen ><
Title: Re: About "free samples"
Post by: jluciani on Jan 26, 2009, 03:48 pm
Other than the hobbyist business and legacy designs I would expect the demand for
DIPs to be close to zero. Samples of DIPs and parts with older technologies are
a lot harder to get.

At On-Semi it seems like all of the new ICs are only SMT. At TI I have noticed
that there are logic families that they only sample in SMT.

(* jcl *)