Genuino is Arduino.cc's sister-brand created by Arduino co-founders Massimo Banzi, David
Cuartielles, Tom Igoe, and David Mellis, the Arduino.cc team and community.
This brand is used for boards and products sold outside the US.
The Genuino brand certifies the authenticity of boards and products in line with the philosophy
of open-hardware and open-source that has always characterized the values of Arduino.
Genuino makes the Arduino open-source project available worldwide through alliances with
with local market-leading manufacturers in Asia, Europe, South America, Canada and Africa.
More info very soon on our Genuino Brand Page (http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/GenuinoBrand)
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Today the store is offline. Does it means boards will be newly available soon? :)
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Translate please for the rest of us.
Weedpharma
It serves to activate the notification system on forum side (not by email)
"x iscrizione" is the italian way :)
Today the store is offline. Does it means boards will be newly available soon? :)
Yes, when Genuino boards are available for purchase will post it on the blog and in here :)
Please keep us Arduino distributors notified when Genuino has a route to market in the UK please :)
I recently got one of these ZIF devevopment modules for 40-pin AVR,
mini-dev-board (http://www.dx.com/p/mini-development-board-for-avr-atmega-16-150191#.VZc-nrnKPue)
I'd purely love something like that for 28-pin 328P breakout, but I don't need the power plug and regulator, just extra 5V and GND pins.
Could you sell both ZIF and matching socket versions populated and bare boards in multi-packs?
Sell the chips and a programmer, or integrate an ATtiny programmer into the ZIF board maybe?
And then you have the full hardware set for a Minty Boost Kit; buy this. do that......
and I will have my ZIF 328P dev board with standalone target boards available.
Could someone tell me if what I understood is correct?
Basically, Genuino is Arduino in the rest of the world due to Arduino Srl? And in the USA it is known as Arduino?
yes,
at least for now.
at the end of legal dispute we hope that Arduino become the official name in all the world
Most of us learned that Arduino is open boards, software and support on this site.
What we buy to support all of that should not go to boards alone.
I can get boards all over.
What pays for Arduino IDE development, Arduino web site and support? Still Lady Ada. Sparkfun, etc?
Was there a time when money from a store went to the sneaky partner instead of the group effort?
Most of us learned that Arduino is open boards, software and support on this site
For Avr micro-controler, software and IDE until 1.05 are a Wiring Project creation (Hernado Barragan).
Have a look on the Arduino IDE avr files you will find many names like wiring.c, wiring_analog.c, wiring_digital.c, wiring_pulse.c, wiring_shift.c, Winterrupts.c and so on...
ARM:
For ARM (cortex M3 (DUE) and cortex M0 (Zero), software and IDE> 1.5 are only an Arduino creation (eventually with Atmel help for software).
For ARM the only source of support are Arduino and Atmel website.
Notice that Atmel has soon Xplained boards based on SAMD20 and SAMD21.
Notice that Arduino LCC Zero board schematic is not signed by Arduino LLC
but by Atmel and board are manufactured in Europe (by Atmel or under Atmel responsabily).
AVR :
For avr Arduino website is the main source of support, but it is not alone.
Wiring site www.wiring.org.co (http://www.wiring.org.co) is not very active
but it is not dead.
Notice that Avr Wiring code is often more recent that Arduino avr code.
I am saying that we understood Arduino to be a total package and that by buying the boards, all were supported. The actions of the board making partner betrayed that. Even support needs support.
Missing jigsaws...
Arduino: Adafruit -> USA
Genuino: Seeedstudio -> Asia
Genuino: ???? -> Europe
Genuino: ???? -> Rest of the world (Australia, Africa, South-America...)
Genuino: Italy for sure, because the .org register the name before Banzi
testato, he is talking about producer. Europe and rest of the world still does not have an official producer.
I always liked the fact that the boards were made in Italy and not the far east.
Thanks lesto, i misunderstand it
I hope that a little production remain in Italy, it will be symbolic but very important for the Arduino history
Well...http://www.arduino.org/blog/1-the-new-blog/first-round-won
.cc vs .org 0-1
:smiley-confuse:
Not unexpected the way the products are being rebranded.
I wish .cc would sort out what products they intend to sell. It looks as though the GPRS shield and Starter Kit are now .org products. Still, it gives .cc the opportunity to revise the design and take on board the criticism of those items...
I'm anxious to see the result of the court cases in USA and Italy. I'm certainly rooting for Arduino LLC (arduino.cc) to get the Arduino name recognition world-wide. I made that clear a while back: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3PXVMNU7Z7049/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00US73ZIO&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=541966&store=pc (http://www.amazon.com/review/R3PXVMNU7Z7049/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00US73ZIO&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=541966&store=pc)
Link is broken
Fixed it. The URL button in the comment editor here on the forum is broken I think. I had to manually edit the link. anyway, it's fixed now.
Arduino.org thinks they are winning? Arduino LLC is now selling boards in the US. I think the boards will be available soon in Europe and Asia.
Sincerely, I'd just drop Arduino name with all the sorrow of the world and rapidly embrace Genuino. Thereby things would be a lot clearer for all of us (and newies over all) in the future.
After publishing an interview with Massimo BANZI, Hackaday publishes this with Federico MUSTO.
Both views are equally published, the author of the article remained neutral.
After publishing an interview with Massimo BANZI, Hackaday publishes this with Federico MUSTO.
Both views are equally published, the author of the article remained neutral.
Here's the link: http://hackaday.com/2015/07/23/hackaday-interviews-federico-musto-of-arduino-srl/ (http://hackaday.com/2015/07/23/hackaday-interviews-federico-musto-of-arduino-srl/)
What a mess. I still think Gianluca Martino deceptively and with less-than-perfectly-honorable intentions went behind the whole team's back, but Arduino SRL does have some really cool products. I'm not Hackaday, so I don't have to be neutral. I still want both companies to succeed and sell cool and useful products, but I really also hope that Arduino SRL does it under another name.....
In other words, when this is all said and done, I want there to be one Arduino....owned by the founding majority (Arduino LLC, who really owns the most significant portion of the product lines--namely, the firmware, codebase, and community support and networking), and I want Arduino SRL to continue as a company...under some other name.
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One more time there is no question of constituting a people's court to designate a culprit.
It is just a matter of having independent information from both parts.
This enabled me to discover that:
"Among --other sources of money, [Daniela Antonietti] had mortgaged her house to pay for a professional reflow oven"
This is a sign of a strong personal involvement in the Arduino project that deserves respect.
But this does not turn Musto into an angel.
What about Arduino Yun?
finally the first "Genuio" Boards arrived in Europe (Germany)
--> http://www.exp-tech.de/catalogsearch/result/?q=Genuino (http://www.exp-tech.de/catalogsearch/result/?q=Genuino)
(manufactured by Seeed Studio ?)
Why only three boards (UNO, Micro and Mega) has changed its name to Genuino? Why other boards (Yun, Due, Zero...) still are named Arduino?
What a mess...
It is very difficult to get reliable information.
The conflict over the ownership of the Arduino brand does not help to see clearly.
Arduino brand: seems to belong
- USA: --> Arduino LLC
- Europe (and rest of the world?) --> Arduino SRL
To have cards manufactured under Genuino brand it is necessary to find a manufacturer who accept to manufacture they.
For a manufacturer agrees to manufacture boards, he must be able to make money with, and therefore it is necessary that the cards have a future.
DUE
Does this board has a future?
Zero:
The same board is available in two different name: Zero and M0-pro.
Both versions were realized with "active" help of Atmel, indeed it is Atmel who does the two designs.
The distribution of sales appears to be:
- USA: only Atmel Zero, boards manufactured in Europe directly by Atmel
- Rest of world: only Atmel M0-pro, boards manufactured in Europe by Arduino SRL
My understanding is that Atmel does not want a conflict between Arduino jeopardize the sale of "his" product.
IMHO it is Atmel who imposed the distribution area of sales between Zero and M0-pro
Yun:
It is even less clear.
It seems, but maybe I'm wrong, that the most important part of Yun have been designed by Musso (Arduino SRL).
What is the real status of the card? Very hard to say.
All Arduino boards are cloned by Chinese except Yun -> bizarre isn't it
Delicate point:
Independently of Yun status, Arduino SRL will realise in November, a new version of Yun ( Arduino Industrial 1001) and an improved version (Arduino Tian) with ARM 32 bits SAMD21 instead of avr 8 bits .
Which manufacturer will agree to start a new production line with a product that may be obsolete ?
To be attractive Arduino LLC must release rapidly new products, old products are the past.
Now it is not possible to make an announcement and get out the product two years later.
The product should be available at most two months after the announcement.
To be attractive Arduino LLC must release rapidly new products, old products are the past.
surely NO,
to be attractive arduino LLC must give support to the new products (e.g. zero and wifi-101)
almost one and a half year ago this new products were announced,
and now, so much time later, still almost no standard-library is working with the zero without any conflict or necessary tweaks...
Great to see this wonderful product becoming available world wide!
Great to see this wonderful product becoming available world wide!
But it isn't!! All of the major electronics suppliers, who provide devices for the UK are stocking the "Arduino" not the "Genuino" ..... The only conclusion that can be drawn from what is being said is that the boards they are selling are coming from Arduino SRL. A company that I have no desire to support given their immoral behavior and absolute abuse of the name.
The electronics suppliers have no incentive to stock "Genuino" because apart from people digging into the details of this fiasco, nobody knows what the bloody hell a Genuino is!!! and everybody knows what an Arduino is or at least what it should be. Most people are totally unaware of the legal wrangle. And are therefore being duped by Arduino SRL.
I would rather be supporting Arduino LLC and ensuring that they get the royalty payment that they should be getting. Especially given that they get none from those thieves at Arduino SRL. But if none of the major UK suppliers are listing the Genuino as a product line then that is near to impossible here.
The "Genuino" brand is just a very very bad idea! It would have been all well and good to re-brand and name them "Genuine Arduino" but trying to create a cute Genuino name is falling flat and is just entirely confusing all the people new to this. Like Me!! I had to spend days trying to unpick this mess so that I could understand what it was I wanted to buy and use. And now I know what I should be buying I can't get it in the UK.. NOT A GOOD SITUATION!
Best Regards,
Fozzy The Bear.
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Does anybody know the status of the Duinotech devices sold by Jaycar in NZ. Are they part of the family?
I have a 16x2 LCD from freetronics, and one from Duinotech and they are not the same electrically.
I can not find a circuit diagram for this board anywhere
Does anybody know the status of the Duinotech devices sold by Jaycar in NZ. Are they part of the family?
the Duinotech devices have nothing to do with original Genuino and/or Arduino,
IMHO they come from some chinese manufacturers (so called "Arduino clones")
I stumbled across this thread while searching for a source for the Arduino Tian. Is it available anywhere yet? I'm in the USA, but I'd be willing to buy overseas...
Tian is a product from "arduino.org"
maybe you ask in their forum --> http://labs.arduino.org/forums (http://labs.arduino.org/forums)
But it isn't!! All of the major electronics suppliers, who provide devices for the UK are stocking the "Arduino" not the "Genuino" ..... The only conclusion that can be drawn from what is being said is that the boards they are selling are coming from Arduino SRL. A company that I have no desire to support given their immoral behavior and absolute abuse of the name.
The electronics suppliers have no incentive to stock "Genuino" because apart from people digging into the details of this fiasco, nobody knows what the bloody hell a Genuino is!!! and everybody knows what an Arduino is or at least what it should be. Most people are totally unaware of the legal wrangle. And are therefore being duped by Arduino SRL.
I would rather be supporting Arduino LLC and ensuring that they get the royalty payment that they should be getting. Especially given that they get none from those thieves at Arduino SRL. But if none of the major UK suppliers are listing the Genuino as a product line then that is near to impossible here.
The "Genuino" brand is just a very very bad idea! It would have been all well and good to re-brand and name them "Genuine Arduino" but trying to create a cute Genuino name is falling flat and is just entirely confusing all the people new to this. Like Me!! I had to spend days trying to unpick this mess so that I could understand what it was I wanted to buy and use. And now I know what I should be buying I can't get it in the UK.. NOT A GOOD SITUATION!
Best Regards,
Fozzy The Bear.
You're absolutely right Foz.
Having two names based on geographical location
is confusing, especially as we are so globalized now. I think the Arduino LLC should have changed their name world-wide to Genuino -
especially in the US, where the Arduino brand would then be absent. Specifically Arduino LLC would keep the right to Arduino in America, but all of the boards would be branded Genuino. It would surely hasten the realization that Genuino is
really arduino.cc (LLC), and this realization would spread through this and other international communities rapidly.
The brand 'Arduino' would become like ...
Sublime (with Rome).
It would surely hasten the realization that Genuino is really arduino.cc (LLC), and this realization would spread through this and other international communities rapidly.
Absolutely... That's a very good point Chris. It just seems such a shame that genuine originators designers are losing royalties to someone who at the end of the day was and is just a manufacturer with little merit, apart from the fact he was at one time able to make them relatively cheaply.
I do find the arduino.org website very offensive. Especially the way they try to make out that they are base for the Arduino community, which is clearly not true.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
Don't forget :
for software arduino is a fork of Wiring.
for hardware all IC manufacturers furnish for free to their custumers all needed help and demoboards.
Zero and M0-pro are developed by Atmel.
Zero is manufactured for Arduino.lcc by Atmel in Italy.
Galileo and Edison are developped and manufactured byIntel.
Now it seems that Arduino is only IDE.
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I'm very new to Ardunio/Genunio and am located in Canada. I want to get the best quality and support the project properly. Are the Genuino (ardunio.cc) products made in Italy same as the Arduino (arduino.org)?
No.
They are either complete different products (depends on what you are looking for), or it's the other way around and some arduino.org products are the same as the genuine Arduino products (guess where that name they were forced to adopt, came from).
the original Arduino rpoduct is the arduino.cc ones.
The same people that have this forum.
If you like this forum, if you like support Massimo Banzi, so you want buy from this reseller/distributor
https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy (https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy)
arduino.org born from ex arduino.cc people
So where is Genuino made?
So where is Genuino made?
Depends. At the Robot Store, it has "Designed in Italy Assembled in EU" printed on the back.
At Seeedstudio, it says "Made in China".
Ouch. What does that mean for quality I wonder...
the quality is the same for all the official arduino.cc distributor
https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy (https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy)
or you can buy directly on the official shop
https://store.arduino.cc/category/83 (https://store.arduino.cc/category/83)
I think there was a blog post or similar when Genuino was announced talking localized production. If it's all automated, you'd expect it to be pretty good. I do recall forum posts about the occasional card with poor header soldering, or missing bootloader, etc. on the Made in Italy cards, so no one is 100% free from issues.
I certainly don't have a problem with electronics made in China. Some of my best gadgets come from there.
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Arduino brand: seems to belong
- USA: --> Arduino LLC
- Europe (and rest of the world?) --> Arduino SRL
...
This post confuses me. Do I have this right:
Arduino SRL == arduino.cc
Arduino LLC == arduino.org
?
No,
The other way is correct. This forum, banzi forum, is .cc from arduino LLC
No,
The other way is correct. This forum, banzi forum, is .cc from arduino LLC
Thanks, I had that backward. 2many abreves yk?
http://www.mouser.com/_/N-1yzu28r
Mouser Electronics is selling Arduino.org boards in the US. WTF?
4 pages of stuff too. Lot of stuff being sold as Arduino.org that is just reselling of other manufacturers tho.
Isn't that copyright infringement? .cc has the US, correct?
Untill the legal judgement willl not arrive there is no infringment.
Untill the legal judgement willl not arrive there is no infringment.
I don't think that is how US copyright law works.
so why it is possible ?
i think that in US also, stop the sell of a product it is not an automatic procedure after a lawsuit.
Company lawyers should ask to the judge to block the opponent products ?
but i'm not an US citizen so it is only my 2cent
Does there was a definitive judgment in USA ?
There was a first in Italy, won by Arduino SRL, Arduino LLC has appealed, so it is not definitive.
But I have not read that judgment was given in the US.
Does there was a definitive judgment in USA ?
There was a first in Italy, won by Arduino SRL, Arduino LLC has appealed, so it is not definitive.
But I have not read that judgment was given in the US.
You can track the progress of this on:
https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/mad/167131/
The latest delay puts the start of the hearing for sometime after 15 September 2016.
Why are there Two Arduino Development Environment one for the USA and one for the rest of the World.
What is the difference and WHY ?
What is the difference and WHY ?
The why is because the Arduino founders have had a falling-out and are suing each other.
Lots of other stuff about this elsewhere in the Forum - probably even in this Thread if you take the trouble to read it.
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Yes.
Basically, Genuino is Arduino in the rest of the world due to Arduino Srl? And in the USA it is known as Arduino?
The two sides in the dispute have now made friends again.
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The two sides in the dispute have now made friends again.
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That being the case, will we continue to see the "Genuino" brand?
Wait until end of January :
https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/mad/167131/71-0.html
The Parties hereby inform the Court that they have recently signed a settlement
agreement. However, the agreement requires the Parties to take various actions over the next
few months before executing formal withdrawal of all pending disputes. All of these actions
must be completed by January 19, 2017. Therefore, the Parties request that this matter be stayed
until January 20, 2017.
Well, if I want to buy a Lilypad or an Esplora I won't be able to do it if I am not buying inside US?! Well that's such a bummer...it leaves loyal customers outside US without nice projects to develop if wanted to do it with their reliable brand...somebody can help clarify this? Thanks! Happy DIYing to everyone!
Well, if I want to buy a Lilypad or an Esplora I won't be able to do it if I am not buying inside US?! Well that's such a bummer...it leaves loyal customers outside US without nice projects to develop if wanted to do it with their reliable brand...somebody can help clarify this? Thanks! Happy DIYing to everyone!
No. the current state of the Arduino and Genuino brands is currently undefined.
ieA+G = x/0
Well, if I want to buy a Lilypad or an Esplora I won't be able to do it if I am not buying inside US?!
Esplora is present on the official .CC Store
https://store.arduino.cc/product/A000095 (https://store.arduino.cc/product/A000095)
This should resolve itself nicely within few months when the lawsuit settlement is finalized. The "Arduino Holding" company will be the single worldwide point of contact for wholesale distribution of all Arduino products. I think that means that you will be able to get them from a distributor or a local dealer. See:
https://blog.arduino.cc/2016/10/01/two-arduinos-become-one-2/#more-15167
I am interested in using the "Arduino Community Logo". As I am in NZ should it say "Genuino Community Logo"
I am unclear as to legal usage of the community logo. can I put it on a sticker printing site for members to order - I am unclear where the definition of product begins and ends.
I am unclear as to legal usage of the community logo. can I put it on a sticker printing site for members to order - I am unclear where the definition of product begins and ends.
This website is used and run by unpaid volunteers who have no business connection to Arduino.
Here is
a page about the community logo (https://www.arduino.cc/en/Trademark/CommunityLogo).
This website is used and run by unpaid volunteers who have no business connection to Arduino.
:smiley-eek-blue: :smiley-eek-blue: :smiley-eek-blue:
This is the official Arduino.cc forum, payed by Arduino.cc company.
Massimo Banzi pay for this website/forum
This is the official Arduino.cc forum, payed by Arduino.cc company.
Massimo Banzi pay for this website/forum
Your comment is not incompatible with the statement by @ChrisTenone
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what do you mean with "RUN" ?
It's a verb that describes what I'm going to do from this conversation.
my english is like your italian :)
so if you mean that this forum have the server cost payed by Arduino, but the time "loosed" here is payed from volunteers, so i agree with you
This is the official Arduino.cc forum, payed by Arduino.cc company.
Massimo Banzi pay for this website/forum
Are you always sure ? :smiley-mr-green: I'm joking
But to laugh do a whois on arduino.cc (and also on arduino.org)
Registrant Name: Federico Musto
Registrant Organization: Arduino AG
Registrant Street: Riedstrasse 11
Registrant City: Cham
Registrant State/Province: ZG
Registrant Postal Code: 6330
Registrant Country: CH
Admin Name: Federico Musto
Admin Organization: Arduino AG
Admin Street: Riedstrasse 11
Admin City: Cham
Admin Country: CH
Tech Name: Federico Musto
Tech Organization: Arduino AG
Tech Street: Riedstrasse 11
Tech City: Cham
Tech State/Province: ZG
Tech Postal Code: 6330
Tech Country: CH
Before arduino.cc website belonged to " Arduino SA ", Chiasso Switzerland.
" Arduino SA " belonged to only one Mr BANZI.
Now " Arduino SA " has been renamed " BCMI Labs SA " and stop to refer to Arduino.
BCMI Labs SA still belongs to the only one M BANZI.
Now the two websites arduino.cc and arduino.org belong to Arduino AG.
The official Registrant and Administrator is now F MUSSO.
Arduino AG
https://www.moneyhouse.ch/fr/company/arduino-ag-4525473031 (https://www.moneyhouse.ch/fr/company/arduino-ag-4525473031)
Arduino SA --> BCMI Labs SA
https://www.moneyhouse.ch/fr/company/arduino-sa-5401881161 (https://www.moneyhouse.ch/fr/company/arduino-sa-5401881161)
The arduino nebula is very complicated but it is better to create companies in Switzerland rather in tax paradises country (Bahamas, Panama, Singapore, etc ...).
it WAS, before the two arduino world get mixed again, and Musso took all home xD
hello
I have followed the Arduino Saga for many years and I have a bad feeling that F. Musto is going to be a thorn in the Arduino community for a long time.
Many boards are being found to lack the necessary documentation to truly be called and labeled "open hardware".
I have a significant investment in Arduino boards and accessory.
I do not want to find that it is all worthless.
I have all ready come to the conclusion that the Arduino Yun and Arduino Tian are both no longer viable for being used in any projects. Any other Arduino boards which have doghunter and/or linino on the backside are also being considered no longer viable.
I am afraid to say it, but I think that Arduino needs to start all over again with the basic boards and IDE. rebuild the Arduino Community and put time and distance between the Phoenix Arduino and the past many years.
Arduino Phoenix raising from the ashes of the old Arduino.
Sounds like a good name for a new board.
Arduino Phoenix.
@artisticforge
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about most things Arduino.
As far as the community I see no need to re-build as it is doing quite nicely and expanding quite well into some areas that were slightly neglected eg. the EDU side is doing quite well and gathering a lot of traction especially with the CREATE and Chromebook side of things.
From my own POV I think it will take time for the dust to settle as nobody really walks away from such a mess unscathed. But looking on the bright side I can only see good things ahead.
Nobody actually knows the full details of the re-merger so anything we say is pure speculation and if you want to speculate nothing but bad that is your view and you are welcome to it. It is not my view.
Your online persona gives off a very similar one to another user who had almost identical views "Adafruit" Are you two linked ? eg sock puppet etc. ? (honest question BTW)
As far as the YUN...Apart from the crappy soldering on the USB connectors mine has worked pretty flawless and was even better after I upgraded it. Only reason its not in use is the faulty connector (from new) but then again it does say ORG on the back LOL. I would love to get a CC one to compare the quality but funds don't run to it right now.
Have had the good fortune to work with some of the backroom and I have to say I am exceptionally impressed with what they do and how well they do it. And NO I am not associated with them nor do I get paid by them. I am simply here to give back where I can...
CC has always given me a positive vibe when I have dealt with them and I am putting ORG as water under the bridge.
You should too.
@artisticforge
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Your online persona gives off a very similar one to another user who had almost identical views "Adafruit" Are you two linked ? eg sock puppet etc. ? (honest question BTW)
There is only one of me. I have no idea who "Adafruit" maybe on this forums. I would assume that it would be someone associated with the adafruit web site and business.
Arduino still has not hit the bottom yet. Many retail stores just no longer carry Arduino products. Radio Shack retail store are basically gone. The Mircocenter.com retail stores sell Arduino clones and knockoffs.
Frys.com retail stores are not much better. Most are either Grove or SeeedStudio. I do have one Robotale board which is a poor Chinese clone.
I have been trying for several weeks to get an answer concerning the CTC-101 kit.
Thunderous silence is the response.
Intel has all but left the Arduino community. The Arduino 101 is End-of-Life. Edison and Galileo never had much of a following.
The Arduino Yun & Tian are both tainted boards given the involvement of Doghunter and Linino.
Those two board names should be killed off as soon as possible.
Replace with the Arduino Phoenix.
The recovery of Arduino is going to take a long long time.
The recovery of Arduino is going to take a long long time.
Think of it as a great opportunity for you to help with the recovery.
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Thanks Robin and well said.
There is enough negative in the world without adding to it.
I seek out tiny doses of good karma in here by doing just what you suggest.
Think of it as a great opportunity for you to help with the recovery.
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I wish that were possible but it is not.
Soon i will be 65 yrs old and I am dying.
definitely closer to the grave than the cradle.
I am sure Robin would loan you the Curmudgeon title for a while...
After all he has shown a marked sense of humour recently so I don't think he would miss it :)
@artisticforge, I am already 65 years old and, like everyone else on the planet, I am dying one day at a time.
If you are in the unfortunate situation of dying more quickly that the rest of us at least you can be thankful that you will not be around to hear us say "I told you so" when we discover that the Arduino system is not as dead as you forecast.
On the other hand (to end on an upbeat note) it would only take you a few days to write a short tutorial about something that might be helpful for a newbie, and hopefully your life expectancy will extend that far.
...R
Ha..I am younger than you R2..OK not in the grand scheme of things (5 years) but enough to call you old.
@artisticforge, I am already 65 years old and, like everyone else on the planet, I am dying one day at a time.
If you are in the unfortunate situation of dying more quickly that the rest of us at least you can be thankful that you will not be around to hear us say "I told you so" when we discover that the Arduino system is not as dead as you forecast.
On the other hand (to end on an upbeat note) it would only take you a few days to write a short tutorial about something that might be helpful for a newbie, and hopefully your life expectancy will extend that far.
...R
It is sad that you find another person dying so amusing and something to joke about.
It is sad that you find another person dying so amusing and something to joke about.
It is your choice between feeling sorry for yourself or deciding to enjoy life.
I certainly won't be in the least bit bothered if I die. I came to terms with that very many years ago.
...R
Arduino still has not hit the bottom yet. Many retail stores just no longer carry Arduino products. Radio Shack retail store are basically gone. The Mircocenter.com retail stores sell Arduino clones and knockoffs.
Frys.com retail stores are not much better. Most are either Grove or SeeedStudio. I do have one Robotale board which is a poor Chinese clone.
I have to totally disagree with you. Arduino.cc went through some growing pains a few years back but the community - represented by this forum - is strong. Yes, brick & mortar retail stores like Radio Shack, Fry's, and Sears are a dying breed, replaced by e-commerce sites and internet stores. That, my friend, is what progress must be.
Annual product models come and go, just like lady's fashions, but the interest in them thrives and the newer models such as the MKR1000 offer much more than the originals.
There's a great and marvelous future.
(https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=330999.0;attach=311763) It's a big if.
If Arduino was interested in selling stuff, they would have employees here in the forum fixing problems and generally pitching in, as the Adafruit employees do on the Adafruit website forums. And they would be responsive to emails sent to the store. Perhaps there is just a general lack of interest on their part. It would be nice if that would change, because I think there is potential. It would be nice if Arduino made the Circuit Playground, that sure would be a nice official Arduino board, they could probably sell gobs of those.
@dmjlambert
Have you not noticed the slow influx of ardi employees in some sections of the forums ?
member status actually reflects they are employees.
Also the amount of posts about store problems has also dropped considerably.
And YES I know why that is.
Did you not notice the new CLOUD system ?
That takes a considerable amount of work to make and test.
Then there are the extended EDU programs going off that most of us never even hear about.
I think they are far from disinterested just as stretched as ever with each new thing.
Oh and there are the new boards that recently came out that need attention too.
BTW they do get it from those who work for ARDI but I could be extra sarcastic and say that doesnt count.
From my POV they have a lot of work on thier plates and deal with it as best they can.
Sure they dont always get it right but even adacostfruit are not exactly saints either.
Yes I see the online version of the IDE. I can imagine that would take a lot of work to get going. I edit and study the core files and do a lot of stuff from the command line, so I have not been very interested in the cloud yet. And yes there are some new products. No I have not noticed Arduino employees in sections of the forum. Perhaps they are in sections I don't frequent. I guess I would expect to see them in the installation and troubleshooting section, suggestions for the Arduino project section, general section. Maybe I'm just not noticing. I will write another email to the store and see if they are responsive.
If Arduino was interested in selling stuff, they would have employees here in the forum fixing problems and generally pitching in,
I have mentioned this many times in the past without the slightest effect even though I know some the Arduino folks read my comments.
Customer service for existing products should have a higher priority than the creation of new products. It's not as if Arduino makes any money from its software products.
I can't imagine how a web-based programming system adds any significant value compared to the well established desktop system. You still need a local system to upload code to an Arduino. IMHO this is just people chasing fashion for its own sake.
...R
I would disagree mostly Robin.
Just my POV of course but the online EDU side of things looks to have taken a very large leap and of course it is a PAY system too so YES they make money from software on that side of things.
Semi agree on the CS side but only to a small degree as the newer boards are getting employee support in thier respective sections.
Bob.
and of course it is a PAY system too so YES they make money from software on that side of things.
I stand corrected.
I do hope they have better service for the paying customers.
At the same time I am disappointed that what started as an Open Source concept is becoming commercialized.
...R
Large AMAZON T3 cluster servers do cost big money and its not the whole ecosphere Robin.
Think its pretty safe to say most regular desktop users wont see much change for the foreseeable future.
The cost IIRC is also quite low but multiplied by users in a classroom will add up over time.
last I saw (some time ago) it was less than $1 a month per user.
Think there was also room for bulk negotiations too ?
There were some teething issues but not seen anything for quite some time since they went to a higher bandwidth ($$$)
Bob.
Thanks for the update.
I guess my concern is not over how much it would cost the user - who can choose not to use it. Rather my concern is whether the profit will distract the management from the Open Source approach.
But life is like that. :)
...R
When clones cannot compete.
We all know the Chinese clones can provide a super cheap starting point for some price restricted users.
I think most of us also have some REAL DEAL boards too.
A recent uptick in chinese clones bucks the cheap price trend. (https://www.aliexpress.com/af/ABX00032.html?d=y&origin=n&SearchText=ABX00032&catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20200927043754)
Especially compared to the REAL DEAL (https://store.arduino.cc/usa/nano-33-iot-with-headers)
Really up to 70 days for delivery and up to 3 times the cost makes them less than viable alternates.
Note I did use the standard Arduino part number for the search eg ABX000nn.