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Title: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 23, 2016, 09:22 pm
I have been using this tip shape for the last 10 months.
It is great for getting around and under things you are soldering.
As the tip is bent, you can easily move the contact point on the target to achieve more/less heat transfer.
The version I have is series 936 but it works well on my Hakko F888D iron.
I Run the tip at ~410C.
Highly recommend using this.
(probably invented by someone who dropped the iron on the floor.)

How to use:
https://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/type_j.html (https://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/type_j.html)



(http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=431187.0;attach=184761)



Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: raschemmel on Oct 23, 2016, 09:33 pm
HAKKO FX888D-29BY/P ESD-Safe Digital Soldering Station (Gold) (https://www.google.com/shopping/product/12128135903416647408?lsf=seller:6136318,store:2824197551625125398&prds=oid:5034941487011418651&q=Hakko+F888D+iron.&hl=en&ei=FRANWPKwDNiwjwPt1ZT4Bg)
There's a Fry's near my house too...I'll just put it on my Fry's card..

SERIES 926 (https://www.hakkousa.com/products/soldering-iron-tips/900-series.html)
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: xl97 on Oct 24, 2016, 11:38 pm
Thanks for the share..

I'm always looking for finer/better tips!


Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Prop-Forge on Oct 26, 2016, 03:32 pm
Strangely enough, I bent the end on my fine Weller tip accidentally, and found it is far easier to use. It's a little off-topic, but do you guys find Hakko to be a good brand for general use? I'm just a hobbyist, all through-hole, but do a fair bit of soldering when I do runs of kits we make. I'm tired of how quickly my Weller 40W plug-in eats tips, and want something I can temperature control and not have to scour the Earth to find tips for.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 26, 2016, 05:17 pm
I use Hakko and am very happy with them.


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Oct 26, 2016, 11:03 pm
Yes, the bent tip works much better.  Any tip can be bent after it is hot.  Put tip in a steel vise, hit it with propane torch and use pair of needle nose to shape it.  File down the sides, shape it whatever way.

Most of the time, my tips seem to break into their own shape that I get used to using. 
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 26, 2016, 11:49 pm
BTW
Using distilled water on the solder iron sponge keeps the salts in the water from building up on/in the soldering iron stand.
Keep a wash bottle handy on your work desk:
(https://cdn.instructables.com/FS1/O3OA/IDA2KR9O/FS1O3OAIDA2KR9O.MEDIUM.jpg)

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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 27, 2016, 12:23 am
Giving the end of the tip a bit more of a bend makes the tip shown in first post perfect.
Too much bending will break the end off.

Using a nozzle that is installed on an angle saves your wrist while using the hot air wand.
6mm diameter seems to be just about right IMO.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTU3NVgxNTc1/z/UpMAAOSwX~dWl00c/$_1.JPG)



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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: dlloyd on Oct 27, 2016, 01:11 am
Love using solder with silver alloy ... makes any tip work better (improved wetting properties).
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 27, 2016, 01:51 am
"Love using solder with silver alloy ... makes any tip work better (improved wetting properties)."
I'll have to give that a try.



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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Boardburner2 on Oct 27, 2016, 02:11 am
Love using solder with silver alloy ... makes any tip work better (improved wetting properties).
Certainly does if you have to use lead free solder.
I find bent tips useful if i have to use a mag glass.
Which is every time these days.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: outsider on Oct 27, 2016, 11:23 am
Wish someone would make an "anti-shake" iron, like those gyro stabilized binoculars.  >:(
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 27, 2016, 08:27 pm
Quote
Wish someone would make an "anti-shake" iron, like those gyro stabilized binoculars.  >:(
I know what you mean.
I rest the heel of my hand on the desk top, this keeps things from moving to a minimum.

(http://www.busy-tennis-players.com/images/OpenHandWithMarks4Grip3.jpg)


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Prop-Forge on Oct 27, 2016, 09:44 pm
BTW
Using distilled water on the solder iron sponge keeps the salts in the water from building up on/in the soldering iron stand.

I think you just solved a problem I didn't really know I had. I always wondered why I'd clean my tip and immediately have junk on it again.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Oct 28, 2016, 09:37 pm
Wish someone would make an "anti-shake" iron, like those gyro stabilized binoculars.  >:(
I am suffering too, soldering and keeping still.  Its impossible for me to do surface mount prototyping. 

Last night I had an idea to make a pair of robotic hands, that I would use operating a pair of jog dials, with a footswitch to dip-down the soldering iron.  The time it would take me to make that would distract from the rest of my projects.

I'm always looking for better tools, jigs to help.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 29, 2016, 04:40 am
@DocStein99
If you are considering SMD devices, a hot air rework station may be your answer.

These might be of interest:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY   (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGSFc7VjBE   (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGSFc7VjBE)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qJWUUK1s_G0  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qJWUUK1s_G0)

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-in-1-SMD-Soldering-Hot-Air-Rework-Station-Stand-3-Nozzle-5-Tips-852d-Iro-/172385139784?hash=item2822f47c48:g:258AAOSwHsRYDVPw   (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-in-1-SMD-Soldering-Hot-Air-Rework-Station-Stand-3-Nozzle-5-Tips-852d-Iro-/172385139784?hash=item2822f47c48:g:258AAOSwHsRYDVPw)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/258AAOSwHsRYDVPw/$_1.JPG)


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: INTP on Oct 29, 2016, 05:33 am
I think you just solved a problem I didn't really know I had. I always wondered why I'd clean my tip and immediately have junk on it again.
I gave the brass mesh sponge in a tin a try after the damp sponge method. Brass mesh sponge is indescribably better.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Boardburner2 on Oct 29, 2016, 06:38 am
@DocStein99
If you are considering SMD devices, a hot air rework station may be your answer.

I just get the mother in law to breath on it  :)
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 29, 2016, 06:49 am
Yes that would work :)

You can get solder to quickly solidify by submitting it to the cold shoulder from the wife.

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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Oct 29, 2016, 09:45 am
I am NOT considering SMD.  All of those tools will not help me hold, place those tiny components.  I already have a tough enough time reading labels on DIP sized chips.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 29, 2016, 04:26 pm
That's where I was, so I got a stereo microscope.
I wont be without one now.

http://www.amscope.com/3-5x-90x-simul-focal-stereo-lockable-zoom-microscope-on-dual-arm-boom-stand.html (http://www.amscope.com/3-5x-90x-simul-focal-stereo-lockable-zoom-microscope-on-dual-arm-boom-stand.html)

(http://lghttp.33652.nexcesscdn.net/80F3FE/amscope/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/t/stereo-microscope-sm-4ntp-01_1_1_1_1.jpg)

http://www.amscope.com/144-led-lighting-direction-adjustable-microscope-ring-light-with-adapter.html (http://www.amscope.com/144-led-lighting-direction-adjustable-microscope-ring-light-with-adapter.html)

(http://lghttp.33652.nexcesscdn.net/80F3FE/amscope/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/e/led-144a.jpg)


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 29, 2016, 09:05 pm
@DocStein99
Hot Air soldering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWjJ-lsUQ30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWjJ-lsUQ30)



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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Boardburner2 on Oct 29, 2016, 10:01 pm
I am NOT considering SMD.  All of those tools will not help me hold, place those tiny components.  I already have a tough enough time reading labels on DIP sized chips.
I find a cheap USB microscope useful for this.
Placing smd components i find increasingly difficult (shakes).

I wonder how the upcoming generation and new students handle this with fewer components being available in thriough hole packages.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 29, 2016, 10:02 pm
Here is a good idea to get one stable hand ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOKOnbmJXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOKOnbmJXA)

(http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=431187.0;attach=185368)

Edit:
In the version I made, I added a third, middle alligator clip at the center of the rod therefore there are 3 of them.
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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Boardburner2 on Oct 30, 2016, 12:53 am
i use something like this.

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-3-inch-vice-cdv30c/?da=1&TC=GS-040314019&gclid=COWAhveMgdACFdTNGwodrDEEsg (https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-3-inch-vice-cdv30c/?da=1&TC=GS-040314019&gclid=COWAhveMgdACFdTNGwodrDEEsg)

That has parallel jaws though, mine has a 2mm lip for sheet metal which is ideal for solderig PCBs.

Very solid  so only twitch is the soldering iron.

Better pic, but mine is better. 2 quid from a boot sale

https://www.wonkeedonkeetools.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/27V-Vices-Meg/27V69/V-69-2_TBI_Drill_press_vice_.jpg (https://www.wonkeedonkeetools.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/27V-Vices-Meg/27V69/V-69-2_TBI_Drill_press_vice_.jpg)
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 30, 2016, 01:03 am
Those are good, got one in the shop too.

A good panavise is also a nice thing to have.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=panavise&rlz=1C9BKJA_enCA713CA713&hl=en-US&prmd=isvn&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=DlHmuUzVTivrFM%253A%252C7GKe0iTB2S-OXM%252C_%253BZ9yyQh5mtQp_8M%253A%252C6pGGiMzKpwEG0M%252C_%253B_P_ns-eA084uAM%253A%252CIocbmGRqPFtgLM%252C_%253BTALzZwTBt54NOM%253A%252Cxr7lY8-Nlld7BM%252C_%253BbrnmygzzUBLVkM%253A%252C5vInuSy8npVyYM%252C_%253BZt69FgDMsLxquM%253A%252CHZyUMrk8k6GiMM%252C_%253BZ1EZo9iUdZrS_M%253A%252CiA4wgppLkFGzlM%252C_%253Bp_JzQ8P-D9UZmM%253A%252C6pGGiMzKpwEG0M%252C_%253Bekw2y67qnBp_dM%253A%252CuYQC-sa58sGOBM%252C_%253BEZJNm8d0dYvv9M%253A%252CjCReC05vKai06M%252C_&usg=__8-sRjp7zosv5gcvrXNczRsDeBYc%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRusLTjoHQAhVN7mMKHRM3BGUQsAQIYg&biw=1024&bih=748  (https://www.google.ca/search?q=panavise&rlz=1C9BKJA_enCA713CA713&hl=en-US&prmd=isvn&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=DlHmuUzVTivrFM%253A%252C7GKe0iTB2S-OXM%252C_%253BZ9yyQh5mtQp_8M%253A%252C6pGGiMzKpwEG0M%252C_%253B_P_ns-eA084uAM%253A%252CIocbmGRqPFtgLM%252C_%253BTALzZwTBt54NOM%253A%252Cxr7lY8-Nlld7BM%252C_%253BbrnmygzzUBLVkM%253A%252C5vInuSy8npVyYM%252C_%253BZt69FgDMsLxquM%253A%252CHZyUMrk8k6GiMM%252C_%253BZ1EZo9iUdZrS_M%253A%252CiA4wgppLkFGzlM%252C_%253Bp_JzQ8P-D9UZmM%253A%252C6pGGiMzKpwEG0M%252C_%253Bekw2y67qnBp_dM%253A%252CuYQC-sa58sGOBM%252C_%253BEZJNm8d0dYvv9M%253A%252CjCReC05vKai06M%252C_&usg=__8-sRjp7zosv5gcvrXNczRsDeBYc%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRusLTjoHQAhVN7mMKHRM3BGUQsAQIYg&biw=1024&bih=748)


(http://www.lextronic.fr/doc/produit/img1_2814.jpg)


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Oct 30, 2016, 07:54 am
I use a rotisserie jig to hold circuit boards, is nice.  Has a spring to move in and out to hold the board, flips around, and holds position.  I would show a picture of it here, except the forum won't allow me to insert pictures (with ease).  I bought it at a flea market for like $5.00 and had no idea what it was until I looked it up when I got home.  It's old and indestructible.  They are rare, I've never seen one for sale on any modern electric tool supply.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: ilguargua on Oct 30, 2016, 10:01 am
I have the panavise at work, with this pcb holder :

(http://it.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/TL17699-40.jpg)

and is indeed useful for pcb repair/rework. For assembly I have this one from Weller :

(http://it.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/2292007-40.jpg)

nice to own, but I have not used it so much.
Both are not so cheap, but not very expensive.


Ciao, Ale.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Oct 30, 2016, 04:28 pm
I have seen these around but have not used them:
omni vice.
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/hakko-production-images/production/398x/c/1/c1390c.jpg)

(http://cf.ppt-online.org/files/slide/b/BqUPSgij2txsXTVaWNhzvYp6udmlL1D85cMfok/slide-14.jpg)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDYwMA==/z/548AAOSwLF1X6MJ3/$_1.JPG)

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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Oct 30, 2016, 08:18 pm
Yes, mine looks like the "panavise" on Larryd's post at the top.  I havent seen any of the other tools, they are interesting.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: MrAl on Oct 31, 2016, 08:05 pm
I have been using this tip shape for the last 10 months.
It is great for getting around and under things you are soldering.
As the tip is bent, you can easily move the contact point on the target to achieve more/less heat transfer.
The version I have is series 936 but it works well on my Hakko F888D iron.
I Run the tip at ~410C.
Highly recommend using this.
(probably invented by someone who dropped the iron on the floor.)

How to use:
https://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/type_j.html (https://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/type_j.html)



(http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=431187.0;attach=184761)




Hi,


Yes nice idea thanks, for when you cant quite get the right angle with a normal straight tip.  I could see this working nicely when you have to solder something that is on a board that is right next to another board so you cant get the iron tip in there right unless you remove one of the boards, but a bent tip would help so you dont have to take out a board.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: Boardburner2 on Oct 31, 2016, 10:21 pm
Great tip for small pads when under a big magnifying glass.
They reduce the distance from soldering iron to board which can disturb the focal distance of the glass.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: dquigg on Nov 04, 2016, 01:09 pm
I like using a chisel tip if I'm doing something that needs to transfer a lot of heat before it wicks, like large wiring.  It also works well for soldering SMD, I've used it on 0.5mm pitch packages in a pinch.  Dave @ eevblog has some great general soldering tutorials for anyone new to it.
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Nov 04, 2016, 07:28 pm
Do those fancy bent tips sell for use with the threaded cheap type soldering iron?
Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Nov 04, 2016, 07:54 pm
Get a coffee and search eBay.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTEwMFgxMTAw/z/A-EAAOSwA3dYESBM/$_1.JPG)

http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_odkw=soldering+iron+tip+bend+4&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsoldering+iron+bent+tip.TRS0&_nkw=soldering+iron+bent+tip&_sacat=0  (http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_odkw=soldering+iron+tip+bend+4&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsoldering+iron+bent+tip.TRS0&_nkw=soldering+iron+bent+tip&_sacat=0)


http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=soldering+iron+tips&_ipg=200&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=soldering+iron+tips&_ipg=200&rt=nc)

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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Nov 04, 2016, 08:11 pm
Seems like a great deal for $35.00.  I think I'll buy 5, they're small.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Metcal-STTC844-Sharp-Bent-Soldering-Tip-Cartridge-30-deg-0-50mm-for-MX-500-Iron-/322301882568?hash=item4b0ab070c8:g:wiIAAOSwFnFV8IJG (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Metcal-STTC844-Sharp-Bent-Soldering-Tip-Cartridge-30-deg-0-50mm-for-MX-500-Iron-/322301882568?hash=item4b0ab070c8:g:wiIAAOSwFnFV8IJG)

Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Nov 04, 2016, 08:25 pm
I got these (as mentioned, they work on FX888D iron).
They seem to work so far, I have no complaints yet.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/272360707558 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/272360707558)


(http://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/g1oAAOSw-kdXyAb3/s-l200.jpg)


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: larryd on Nov 04, 2016, 08:27 pm
If you are careful, you might be able to make your own by heating and bending things yourself.


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Title: Re: Best soldering tip FYI
Post by: DocStein99 on Nov 04, 2016, 08:36 pm
I can bend my own, yes.  Which would take less time then scanning ebay, waiting for a tip the wrong size to be delivered, and me spending more time to modify that one to fit.

Or I buy 10 of them at a time, thinking I will save time - and 10 wrong sized ones come in the mail.