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Title: legal constraints
Post by: bluejets on Apr 19, 2019, 03:38 am
Where would one find any document relating to how Arduino use is restricted?
Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: pert on Apr 19, 2019, 03:41 am

Also check the licensing on any other software you're using
Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: bluejets on Apr 19, 2019, 04:43 am
Thanks. I have seen (somewhere) there is a restriction where use is limited/forbidden on anything that may be looked upon as life threatening or possibility of causing this to come about.
As an example in some instances in the use in motor vehicles.

Can't seem to find it anywhere.
Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: CrossRoads on Apr 19, 2019, 05:03 am
Used to be on the last page of the Atmel Atmega328P datasheet.

The re-released datasheet under Microchip no longer carries it.

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ATmega48A-PA-88A-PA-168A-PA-328-P-DS-DS40002061A.pdf (http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ATmega48A-PA-88A-PA-168A-PA-328-P-DS-DS40002061A.pdf)





Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: bluejets on Apr 19, 2019, 06:41 am
Used to be on the last page of the Atmel Atmega328P datasheet.

The re-released datasheet under Microchip no longer carries it.

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ATmega48A-PA-88A-PA-168A-PA-328-P-DS-DS40002061A.pdf (http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ATmega48A-PA-88A-PA-168A-PA-328-P-DS-DS40002061A.pdf)






Yes, see it. Thanks.

https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/SMD/ATMega328.pdf (https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/SMD/ATMega328.pdf)
Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: Robin2 on Apr 19, 2019, 08:57 am
That Microchip document says (page 661)
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Use of Microchip devices in life support and/or safety applications is entirely at the buyer's risk, and the buyer agrees to defend, indemnify and hold harmless Microchip from any and all damages, claims, suits, or expenses resulting from such use.
I think the constraints are now wider, not narrower.

...R
Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: ChrisTenone on Apr 22, 2019, 08:10 am
That Microchip document says (page 661)
I think the constraints are now wider, not narrower.

...R
I dunno Robin, Previously they said "Don't do it." Now they say that the user is responsible to prove it wasn't their fault. Seems to me it depends on how much the user can spend on lawyers. If, say GM, uses an 'off-the-shelf' Microchip product in a car, I would imagine GM's legal budget would guarantee a win any legal challenge to the current requirement. A major manufacturer would surely write their own terms and conditions though.
Title: Re: legal constraints
Post by: Robin2 on Apr 22, 2019, 08:43 am
Now they say that the user is responsible to prove it wasn't their fault.
IMHO that is not what it says. I reckon Microchip hopes that it means "whatever happens, we're not going to take the blame, and if we are to blame, you have have to pay all our costs"

As you say, the folks who will really benefit are the lawyers :)

...R