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Title: iPAD!!!!!  OMG!!!
Post by: amacmullen14 on Jan 27, 2010, 08:03 pm
The ipad was announced today!

(the ipad is a mac tablet!)

See the live feed (no video) on gizmodo!
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 27, 2010, 08:08 pm
meh, it looks like an Iphone for old people

IMO its too large to be a handy portable thing, and too small to do any real work with it, not sure who the target is but everyone at my work has had the same reaction, ohh, and meh
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Post by: Ste_Hughes on Jan 27, 2010, 08:28 pm
the only thing it does the iphone doesnt is you can change the back ground

how revolutionary
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 27, 2010, 08:38 pm
500 bucks for the barebones model it better be able to clean my sink too
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Post by: mowcius on Jan 27, 2010, 09:09 pm
Yeah I might get one once you can hack the hell out of it...

It seems a bit too much hype so far. Yes they will probably bring out a new model in a few months but it'll still be expensive. Then asus will bring one out and everyone will buy it!

Mowcius
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Post by: Nachtwind on Jan 27, 2010, 11:07 pm
...and then google will have one with tons of ads, but hey - the GooBlet will be so revolutionary, everyone must have it!
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Post by: bill2009 on Jan 27, 2010, 11:52 pm
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meh, it looks like an Iphone for old people


Yeah, I want one but it's a bit goofy looking.  I saw jobs holding it and in my head I could hear him saying "We are on the track of the 50 fit woman.  I have found her iPhone".
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Post by: amacmullen14 on Jan 28, 2010, 02:43 am
Yeh, I don't think too highly about it.  But when I posted this, I didn't know much.  Kinda cool still...
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Post by: PaulS on Jan 28, 2010, 12:37 pm
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But when I posted this, I didn't know much.


But, you posted anyway?
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Post by: Legolas8911 on Jan 28, 2010, 01:29 pm
Does anyone know the price?
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Post by: Grumpy_Mike on Jan 28, 2010, 01:50 pm
price:-
http://www.apple.com/ipad/pricing/
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Post by: WheelerMDW on Jan 28, 2010, 07:15 pm
Reported to be between 400 and 800 USD.

!impressed.
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Post by: GrooveFlotilla on Jan 28, 2010, 08:50 pm
I wonder where they got the idea?

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1140000/images/_1144917_dom_joly150pa.jpg)
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Post by: FEDERICO on Jan 28, 2010, 11:09 pm
The cool thing is that you have to find an intelligent use for it :) Who wish to play the game ? :)
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Jan 29, 2010, 12:49 am
Reminds me of this funny video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
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Post by: trialex on Jan 29, 2010, 01:16 am
No USB port?

No multitasking? (Surely even apple people like to play mp3s while writing documents)

No unnaproved software?

$70 for a keyboard?

If microsoft had put this out they would be getting slammed.
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 29, 2010, 01:21 am
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The cool thing is that you have to find an intelligent use for it Smiley Who wish to play the game ? Smiley


The PC has similar origins
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Post by: amacmullen14 on Jan 29, 2010, 02:05 am
Yeah, I think it's disappointing that they used the iphone os not the mac os.  (or at least closer to the iphone os)

It would be AWESOME if it had usb ports, and it ran Snow leopard, and then you could use an arduino with it!
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 29, 2010, 02:16 am
I was expecting the Iphone like OS, but lack of usb ports? I think my alarm clock even has a usb port on it  ::)

[edit]yea it does, but its only power  >:([/edit]
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Post by: trialex on Jan 29, 2010, 03:21 am
My CAR has a USB port.
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Post by: jezuz on Jan 29, 2010, 03:43 am
pshhhh, even my arduino has a usb port.
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 29, 2010, 04:00 am
lol
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Post by: bigtrumpet on Jan 29, 2010, 04:16 am
Well, why I need a bigger Iphone?
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Jan 29, 2010, 02:09 pm
At least people who know things about electronics (AKA Arduino people) know how useless this is bound to be.  All my friends are Apple fanboys who are sure to buy it because it's Shiny and from Apple.

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Well, why I need a bigger Iphone?


Does it even have Phone capabilities?

...

And I thought I'd add on to the trend:  My DIGITAL CABLE BOX has a USB port!
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Post by: madworm on Jan 29, 2010, 02:45 pm
The price you have to pay for an apple iWhatever is freedom.

- I won't be told by any company what kind of software I can or cannot run on a device I have purchased.
- No IO ports. Am I supposed to only download music from the iStore?
- Always online. I just hate wireless. It's way too easy for the iBrain to tap into my device without me noticing it.
- Such things have happened before. Didn't amazon remote-delete content from ebook readers?
- Replaceable battery?
- Memory slot?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/PLF_logo.jpg/180px-PLF_logo.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_Liberation_Front)
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Post by: Emyr on Jan 29, 2010, 02:52 pm
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- I won't be told by any company what kind of software I can or cannot run on a device I have purchased.
- Such things have happened before. Didn't amazon remote-delete content from ebook readers?
- Replaceable battery?
- Memory slot?

Fair comment.

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- No IO ports. Am I supposed to only download music from the iStore?

It has a dock port, just like the iPod. Remember this isn't intended as your primary machine.

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- Always online. I just hate wireless. It's way too easy for the iBrain to tap into my device without me noticing it.

Either get the wifi only model, and don't enable auto-connect on your networks, or get the 3G model and use Airplane mode.
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Post by: madworm on Jan 29, 2010, 02:57 pm
I presume that 'airplane mode' is switched on/off by software ?

I can only accept a hardware kill switch that removes all power from the wireless circuitry.
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Post by: andrew0 on Jan 29, 2010, 04:16 pm
Maybe, just maybe, the sort of people who visit this site are not the target audience for this (or maybe any other) Apple device.

I used to deride Apple products as triumphs of style and marketing over substance. My first mp3 player was an iRiver H320 hard disk based thing. At the time I thought it was a smart buy, and I agreed with the conclusion in this review (http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/iriver-h320-20gb/4505-6490_7-31120667.html ):

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The bottom line: As did the phased-out H120, the H320 will attract those who value features as well as superior audio playback and recording quality over style.


I learned the workarounds for not being able to create playlists on the device, I chortled at people who had to bother with all that song metadata malarkey when obviously just putting your songs in hard disk folders was easier and better. I occasionally tried to train my wife in the bizarre button pushing you had to do to achieve some functions...

Then I needed a higher capacity player and I decided to try out one of these new-fangled iPods people had been talking about. What a revelation, it was like our TiVo but for music! Sometimes when you just want something to work first time, every time and be extremely easy to use for its main function then less really is more, even for a gadget nerd like me.

The only thing that turns me off about the iPad is lack of Flash capability in Safari, but maybe by the time I can afford one they'll have fixed that or it'll be irrelevant.

Andrew
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Post by: jezuz on Jan 29, 2010, 04:35 pm
No Flash!?? Really?! My IPhone doesn't support flash for the simple reason that the battery would die out too quickly (and, from what I heard, Adobe doesn't want to buy into Apple's marketing). But this is ridiculous - a huge touchscreen without flash is like getting basic cable instead of the full package.
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Post by: digimike on Jan 29, 2010, 04:46 pm
No the iPhone doesn't support flash because Apple likes to dictate what we want in our devices.

I think the iPad is going to be Appl'ss first big flop in a long time. This thing should have come with a couple of USB ports, an SD card slot, GPS, flash support, and a camera.

As it is they have introduced an over sized, over priced iTouch. Its really nothing more then a fancy ebook reader. I just can't see how this is going to compete with all the other tablet/slate offerings coming out this year.

Apple usually has some nice innovations that place there version of a product above and beyond there competitors. They just totaly missed the mark on this one.
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Post by: RanTalbott on Jan 29, 2010, 04:49 pm
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Well, why I need a bigger Iphone?


Presbyopia:  it's no coincidence that,  now that Jobs and all the original Mac buyers are on the AARP mailing list,  he's releasing an iPhone with BFF* capabilties.

Plus,  the larger size means a bigger GPS antenna,  and the improved resolution makes it suitable for navigating scooters and walkers around the nursing home.

* "BFF" = Big &%^$ing Fonts
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Post by: digimike on Jan 29, 2010, 05:40 pm
But the iPad doesn't have GPS. Its just an oversized iThouch not an oversized iPhone. If you get the more expensive one then it will have AT&T 3G in it but it still won't have a camera or GPS.
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Post by: westfw on Jan 29, 2010, 06:17 pm
It looks like almost everything I ever wanted an eBook to be.  Except <$250.  Still, pretty comparable to other eBooks of similar size, with better features (?)
It'll be interesting to see if the world wants a programmable eBook, rather than a tablet computer.  It's a good question; Apple seems to be doing pretty well with their programmable music player...
Keep in mind that "issues of choice" (flash, app licensing scheme) can be changed pretty quick.  I always find the ads touting "open app policy" (ie on droid?) to be ... amusing.  All it takes is for Apple to decide that it's important, and a snap of the fingers, and a whole marketing ploy becomes useless...
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 29, 2010, 06:30 pm
IF apple was going to change their stance on open software they missed the boat a loooooong time ago

they haven't allowed much open programing starting with the original Macintosh (ever hear of a programing switch)
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Jan 29, 2010, 09:13 pm
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I think the iPad is going to be Appl'ss first big flop in a long time.


We can only hope ;D!

It's been too long.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin)
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Post by: digimike on Jan 29, 2010, 11:02 pm
Hey i love my iTouch but updates don't come fast enough and the platform isn't as open as it should be. I should be able to do allot more with interfacing it with other things without the need to jailbreak it.
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Post by: andrew0 on Jan 30, 2010, 01:19 am
The 3G iPads will have GPS according to the specs at apple.com

Andrew
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 30, 2010, 01:38 am
for darn near a grand it better
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Post by: mowcius on Jan 30, 2010, 03:27 pm
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The 3G iPads will have GPS according to the specs at apple.com

Still no camera though!
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Post by: jezuz on Jan 30, 2010, 06:27 pm
can you imagine trying to take a photo with that huge rectangle? It's like trying to hold up a picture frame to take a photo... irony...
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Post by: digimike on Jan 30, 2010, 06:49 pm
The camera would be used more for AR purposes. Imagine coupling facial recognition with the system. The iPhone doesn't have enough hardware to support something like that but the iPad might. You take the iPad, with GPS, and camera and you can have the actual street view with the GPS map overlaid on it as you drive down the road.
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 30, 2010, 07:05 pm
see if it had USB they could make an addon webcam ... call it the iBall
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Post by: andrew0 on Jan 30, 2010, 07:15 pm
iLike the sound of an iBall.
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Post by: jezuz on Jan 30, 2010, 07:51 pm
What if you wanted two of them? Perhaps iBalls

ahh, good 'ol immaturity.
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Post by: mowcius on Jan 30, 2010, 07:57 pm
well there is an add on connector to give USB for plugging a camera into but that is for 'transfering images'. Dunno if you could make a webcam work...

Mowcius
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Post by: Osgeld on Jan 30, 2010, 08:22 pm
dunno, for the camera / sd reader dongle it has to have some form of usb host in there

still doesn't that break the uber sleekness of it, good ole apple and their dongles
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Post by: madworm on Jan 30, 2010, 08:25 pm
Right.

Steve Jobs is a baller and needs his dongle to stay where it is.
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Post by: jezuz on Jan 30, 2010, 09:08 pm
^win
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Post by: bara.munchies on Jan 31, 2010, 03:53 pm
it's a bit expensive for me as well. i'm not planing to buy one for myself. i don't see the space for it now.

but for what it is i don't think it can be made much cheaper. Look at the joojoo or the kindle dx. not much under 500 dollar if at all.

everyone was raving how expensive the iphone was, but until today nobody was able to build something similar for significant less money. nexus one, droid, htc all play in the 500-600 dollar range.

now for what it does not have, that reminds me a bit at the outcry when apple decided not to use floppy drives anymore. later when they released a laptop without an any drive. Seriously, what do you want to plug into the iPad via usb that would make sense?
Btw, you can use USB with a dongle, same as SD cards. An i guess there must be some sort of hardware or bluetooth serial port for the keyboard.

It's funny to see geeks all over the place almost getting angry at the stuff it doesn't have and the things it doesn't do. Well then it's obviously not for you, don't buy it and move on. It's an offer that is not supposed to be for everyone.
Does anyone care if Logitech releases a gold platet mouse with an mechanical ball for 500 Dollar?

One thing stikes me though. My friends dad has seen this thing and is totaly eager to buy it. He is 60 years old, has never used much more than a dumb mobile phone and used a computer keyboard only by accident. He does not know what is opensource or a flash player.

The iPad could possibly open a new market for ppl who have never used a computer, cause the 102 keys and many buttons are just too confusing for them. we as geeks can not imagine how a normal computer looks to a non technical person. it just has trouble written all over it.

I guess everyone know the situation when parents or parts of the family call you on a sunday morning as the "tech guy" cause the "internet is broken", and you need to find out how to fix it throught the phone. Imagine they would use an iPad instead.

Well i'm pretty excited specialy about the last thing  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Jan 31, 2010, 07:26 pm
You pose a fair point, but it is blatantly lacking what are to me essential things such as USB, removable battery, etc.

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Btw, you can use USB with a dongle, same as SD cards. An i guess there must be some sort of hardware or bluetooth serial port for the keyboard.


Great!  Another overpriced Apple product I have to buy to get my things to work properly ;D!
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Post by: mowcius on Jan 31, 2010, 09:23 pm
Ok, I shal now turn off notifications for this topic as I think I have heard enough apple bashing to last a few months  ;D

Mowcius
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Post by: bara.munchies on Feb 01, 2010, 04:59 am
@TchnclFl

Overpriced with 500 dollar? get real.
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Post by: colinsullivan on Feb 01, 2010, 06:36 am
If the Macbook Air could make profit, I have no doubts about the future of the iPad.
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Post by: Calamaro on Feb 01, 2010, 09:36 am
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs156.snc3/18342_273331753911_101748583911_3388093_334870_n.jpg)

Lol
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Post by: amacmullen14 on Feb 01, 2010, 01:19 pm
WHAT!?!?  Your rock has no flash support?
Hehe...noob.
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Post by: savitch on Feb 01, 2010, 04:56 pm
I haven't been as irritated over something like this since the y2k bug. It's exactly what was expected and nothing that warranted the hype. What disturbs me more than anything is that this is perfect for 99% of the population because most people are technologically stupid and it is actually 'magical' to them. They don't understand what is lacking and why they might miss it, they just use whatever is thrown in front of them.
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Post by: westfw on Feb 01, 2010, 05:23 pm
No offense, but if 99% of the potential customers fail to recognize "what is lacking", then it's not much of a lack...

(thinking of all those gadgets I bought because they had some specific feature I wanted, but never ended up using...)

(ROCK is < $250?  When was the last time YOU priced ancient artifacts?)
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Post by: savitch on Feb 01, 2010, 05:42 pm
Well then by using that same logic, freedom of speech isn't a lack if goes away long enough for people to care that it ever existed. People get accustomed to a certain way and eventually don't know any better way ever existed.
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Feb 01, 2010, 07:47 pm
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Well then by using that same logic, freedom of speech isn't a lack if goes away long enough for people to care that it ever existed. People get accustomed to a certain way and eventually don't know any better way ever existed.


Indeed.  Just look at how long Racial Segregation and slavery lasted.
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Post by: daveg360 on Feb 01, 2010, 09:48 pm
I work with a few guys who are big Apple fans (if there was a country where you could go and legally marry your iphone - they would be there) they aint impressed at all.  Nothing good to say about it.
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Post by: digimike on Feb 01, 2010, 10:40 pm
Sure the iPad will have SD card reader and USB threw a dongle, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the device? WHo is going to want extra things hanging off the end of this thing.

Now i do like that there is a KB attachment for it but how well does it connect. You don't want to be in the middle of a flight and hit turbulence and have the ipad go flying off the KB as your trying to type something.
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Post by: Tchnclfl on Feb 01, 2010, 10:50 pm
Unfortunately, all the Apple fans I know (being immature), would stick to Apple if it meant death.  They just can't admit that Apple makes some counter-intuitive things.. ;D
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Post by: digimike on Feb 01, 2010, 10:54 pm
yep fanboys are clueless.