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SirNickity

Perhaps if they had a printer from several years ago.  I believe modern printers all have switched to micro-USB (and slightly older printers used mini-USB)


That's curious.  I haven't ever seen a printer that used mini or micro USB.  Centronics, RJ45, and full-sized USB type 'B' only.  Not saying they don't exist, but even working IT, I've never crossed paths with one.

The Arduino is the only device I have in the house that has the square-ish USB B female connector.


I say this more in defense of Arduino than to try and beat a dead horse... but, I have tons of devices that use USB 'B' cables.  Hard drives, a couple sound cards, a scanner, three printers (laser, ink jet, small photo), a couple old DSL modems, a video capture device, several hubs (though some of those are mini B instead), various control interfaces for fancy electronics...  So no shortage of compatible USB cables here!  ;)

Most things seem to have switched to the micro-B connector (there are European laws that mandate most electronic devices use the micro-B for charging, though Apple as always goes its own way).


Heheh.. OK, now in Apple's defense, the USB standards committee is doing a crap job these days.  The two formerly popular USB cables (full size 'B' and mini) were well thought-out and served most purposes just fine.  With the plethora of ultra tiny devices now, it did make sense to provide a smaller alternative (the micro), despite the fact that the last thing we need is yet another connector.  Here's where things went awry though.  First, you have USB 3.0 which requires its own new connector.  So that's two new cable types to track down when you need them.  (Alright, you can usually stuff a 2.0 cable in a 3.0 device, so it could be worse I guess.)

But, the real let-down was the pitiful current limit of the new micro connector.  Apple being Apple, they probably would've used their own anyway, but their Lightning connector was designed for the explosion of mobile devices that really benefit from a small connector.  It supports rapid charging (or just adequate charging for higher-current devices like tablets) where the mini connector would have to limit current draw to 1A, IIRC.  Also, the Lightning connector can't be inserted the wrong way -- there is no wrong way.  When plugging micro or mini USB cables in blind (in the dark, or in the back of a device where you can't see the port), you have a 50/50 chance of getting it right, which means you'll usually only succeed on the third or fourth attempt.

In short, Lightning is everything USB micro should've been.  One downside is that it requires an IC in the cable itself to support the wealth of protocols that come out the bottom of an Apple device.  But that has little to do with the connector itself.  The other downside is it's yet another cable, and you can only get them from Apple, Apple-certified third parties, and the usual assortment of knock-off vendors of dubious quality -- meaning it'll either cost you $30, or it could burst into flames at any moment.

Paul__B


nickgammon

Really? This is what I got a moment ago:



Citation:

Wolfram Alpha LLC. 2013. Wolfram|Alpha. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=arduino.cc (access September 30, 2013).


I believe I am within their terms of service posting that as this (here) is a non-commercial website isn't it? You don't pay to use it.
Please post technical questions on the forum, not by personal message. Thanks!

More info: http://www.gammon.com.au/electronics

Paul__B


Really? This is what I got a moment ago:


I was being a bit subtle.  There's too much cross-site junk on that page and NoScript clearly does not like it.  I didn't fancy wading through it all.

SirNickity

Then I hope you weren't surprised when it didn't work as you expected.

I don't understand folks who attempt to use modern web sites with NoScript and cookies turned off, and expect anything at all to be functional.  This isn't 1997 anymore.  The web isn't navigable with Links and Mosaic.  ;)

fungus


I don't understand folks who attempt to use modern web sites with NoScript and cookies turned off, and expect anything at all to be functional.  This isn't 1997 anymore.  The web isn't navigable with Links and Mosaic.  ;)


Simple: We don't enjoy all those dancing monkey adverts.

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joshuabardwell


Simple: We don't enjoy all those dancing monkey adverts.


Using noscript to stop ads is like squashing a fly with a sledgehammer. Are you familiar with adblock?

nickgammon

I use Adblock Plus, and I'll say one thing for it ... when you go to Youtube pages, the videos play straight away without those annoying "Your video will start in 30 seconds" ads.
Please post technical questions on the forum, not by personal message. Thanks!

More info: http://www.gammon.com.au/electronics

fungus



Simple: We don't enjoy all those dancing monkey adverts.


Using noscript to stop ads is like squashing a fly with a sledgehammer. Are you familiar with adblock?


Of course. And Flashblock as well. The web seems to work just fine to me. Better than before, in fact.


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fungus


I use Adblock Plus, and I'll say one thing for it ... when you go to Youtube pages, the videos play straight away without those annoying "Your video will start in 30 seconds" ads.


And you don't have to close the advert that appears on top of every single video when you finally get through to them.
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