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neuromancer2701

http://store.atmel.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10500372#tc:description
I am thinking of just getting one of these.
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legonick22

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neuromancer2701

The Zero is just basically the D21 explained in arduino form factor. It even has the edbg. So if you could get an arduino zero pro it should work with Atmel studio.
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pjrc

I have one of those SAM D21 Xplained boards.  I also have one of the (real, not dot org) Arduino Zero beta test boards.

The Atmel Xplained board does not work with the Arduino (unreleased) beta software.  I didn't investigate why.  I only gave it a quick try, to see if Zero was somehow different than SAM D21 Xplained.  It is.

I haven't tried either with Atmel Studio.  I did recently buy an Atmel-ICE, with the intention of giving Atmel Studio a try soon.

I have not tried Arduino.org's software yet, other than a quick look at 1.5.8.1 to confirm it does not have Zero support.  One of the branches on their github does seem to have zero support, but I haven't gone to the trouble of building it.

westfw

Come to think of it, there is also Teensy++ 2.0, which is a USB-capable AVR (AT90USB1286) with 128k of flash.
http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensypp.html
That's probably the closest thing to a Leonard or Micro with more memory that you're likely to find.


avenue33

Does someone know whether the coming Arduino Zero is supporting the mbed SDK?

The mbed SDK runs on a large choice of boards based on ARM Cortex-M0, -M0+, -M3 and -M4 MCUs.

bobcousins

Currently, no. So far Atmel have not produced an mbed enabled board, an no-one else has either.

I expect Atmel at some point might get more involved with mbed, it is backed by ARM and gathers momentum. It is a more professional choice than Arduino.

A few people have looked at doing an mbed target HAL for Atmel chips, it is a big chunk of work, would really need a commercial sponsor like Atmel.
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pjrc

#53
Mar 07, 2015, 03:09 pm Last Edit: Mar 07, 2015, 03:12 pm by Paul Stoffregen
.... have not produced an mbed enabled board, an no-one else has either.
Just a couple weeks ago, someone from mbed contacted me about a port they're doing for Teensy 3.1.  They're doing it, not me (full disclosure - I'm the guy who makes Teensy).  My understanding is it's currently only available in some beta version, but will probably move to their mainline version in a matter of months.  I personally haven't used it yet.

I've seen mention that several of Freescale's and ST's boards are already mbed enabled.  I personally haven't used those either, but I've seen the marketing material claiming they're mbed enabled.

I have no idea whether mbed plans to support Arduino Zero.  But from what I've seen, it seems the new ARM-owned mbed is interested in supporting pretty much all ARM-based boards.  Whether they're willing to touch a product that's the subject of an ongoing legal dispute / battle is a good question.  My guess is they and others will likely wait for the legal drama to conclude before doing much with Zero.

68tjs

Which Zero ?
Now there are two Zero (one US and one Italian) , two arduino compagnies, two arduino web sites and  a trial.
see here

It's heartbreaking

bobcousins

I emailed the editor at makezine about the Arduino dispute over 3 weeks ago, seems they have just caught up. I'd like to see Michael Weinberg's view on the legal issues.

Weird thing about the pricing of the Zero Pro, it seems to be more expensive than the Due?
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pjrc

Genuine Arduino Due sells at approx $50, right?

Isn't Zero appearing around $45?

bobcousins

The sites I have looked at have Zero Pro more expensive than Due, here is 2 examples:

http://www.rlx.sk/sk/219-original-arduino-boards?p=2
http://physicalcomputing.at/epages/f46ab952-295a-4f65-8ffa-38a4b8eec267.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/f46ab952-295a-4f65-8ffa-38a4b8eec267/Categories/EntwicklungsBoards__Tools/Arduino

Perhaps Due is priced low (about same price as Mega) because it does not sell much, and they are hoping Zero Pro will be more popular. As it is, it seems to be underpowered or overpriced. Most Cortex M3 chips are cheaper than atmega256, I can't see why the BOM cost justifies the price.
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pjrc

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Mar 09, 2015, 12:52 pm Last Edit: Mar 09, 2015, 12:55 pm by Paul Stoffregen
Oh, yes, you're right.  I guess I wasn't translating Euros & US Dollars.

I too had expected they'd price it somewhere between Uno & Due.  Maybe the debugger chip is the justification for the higher price?

That seems like a tough sell without any debug support in the Arduino IDE.  Strategically, it seems crazy to drive users away from Arduino's software and onto Atmel Studio.  But then, splitting off from Arduino.cc in such a legally questionable and publicly dramatic way hardly seems like a good idea either!

68tjs

Price of making a card has 3 main posts:
1) the number of components to be mounted
2) PCB area
3) development costs

Price of a micro-controller:
1) development cost
2) cost of housing
3) Once the manufacturing is  stabilized, cost of the  die depends only on the surface of the die.

Board sale price is the maximum price that buyers are willing to pay for the product.

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