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Jantje

It saddens me to see this happen.

It is hard to look at the sold out arduino.cc shop.
.... the zero pro in arduino.org shop
.... arduino.cc not being a distributor of arduino.org.
....Man this is war.....
May the force be with you arduino.cc
Jantje
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lestofante

the org has also its github repo and in the splashscreen the name of Banzi has been moved has last of the list. lol
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clovisf

Well, not even the smartest of us would have seen this coming (or maybe the core team could..).

The thing is: we all know that OPEN SOURCE is NOT PROFITABLE and WILL NEVER BE! nobody works for free. what is profitable is SELLING hardware. This is why everybody (Arduino, Teensy, SeeedStudio, Mbuino, MBED, among others) SELL HARDWARE.

I am not really surprised that at least ONE of the original Arduino founders was smart enough to try and make profits out of it!.

Sorry not sorry for being sincere, but truth is truth.

Peter_n

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Mar 26, 2015, 06:36 pm Last Edit: Mar 26, 2015, 06:40 pm by Peter_n
I guess your truth is not my truth.
The Arduino boards that were made in Italy paid for a part of the development of the software. When agreements were violated and both parties claim the name "Arduino", then there is something that is not smart and not truthful. However, I don't know the whole story.

You are right, that it is not easy to make an open source company profitable. Even Wikipedia needs donations. However Ubuntu (Canonical) has a free operation system and they earn money with support, in a way some of Arduino.cc also do.
That is why I kindly ask you to make a donation, since you use this forum ;)
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Donate


lestofante

I am not really surprised that at least ONE of the original Arduino founders was smart enough to try and make profits out of it!.
All of them ALREADY make profit. Ando you know what? open source, if done right, IS profitable. look at Mozilla, the linux foundation, the apache foundation.. and you know what? they DOMINATE in what they are supposed do.

and this is because people GET PAID to bring on development:

"The number of paid developers is on the rise, as companies aggressively recruit top Linux talent. More than 80 percent of kernel development is done by developers who are being paid for their work. Volunteer developers tend not to stay that way for long."

from http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2015/02/linux-foundation-releases-linux-development-report
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alejandrom

It's not only about the hardware but about the idea.

Does anyone think this project could survive without Banzi, Cuartielles, Igoe, Mellis?

Please open your eyes and even more your mind.

Who are the original founders?

Where did this project born?

Where was the factory partner's when someone decided to turn it into Open Source to save the idea?

Do you really think this phenomenon could have happened if someone had started to think only about a profitable business?. Money is needed but good ideas are less abundant, is more easy to find a new factory than a good idea. And talking about this, it should be good to explain why Italy instead of China... (think Martino)

I hope they can reach the most beneficial arrangement for both parties, but from my point of view I will support the idea above a particular trademark.

La avaricia rompe el saco/Greed breaks the sack



alejandrom

Well, not even the smartest of us would have seen this coming (or maybe the core team could..).

The thing is: we all know that OPEN SOURCE is NOT PROFITABLE and WILL NEVER BE! nobody works for free. what is profitable is SELLING hardware. This is why everybody (Arduino, Teensy, SeeedStudio, Mbuino, MBED, among others) SELL HARDWARE.

I am not really surprised that at least ONE of the original Arduino founders was smart enough to try and make profits out of it!.

Sorry not sorry for being sincere, but truth is truth.
Truth is truth but this is not the case. Legally... we will see, but your point of view lacks something.

Don't think that you are trying to justify what is happening but the thing is that we can see that someone is trying to get rights about something is not of his own, kicking asses of the other founders (who had the idea) of the project.


68tjs

I am impressed by those on hold the truth, in fact they express that they would like to be THEIR truth.

 I do not know who misbehaved the first because it is an affair internal to "family Arduino" and nothing is public.
 
Justice is seized, let it do its work.

lestofante

I do not know who misbehaved the first because it is an affair internal to "family Arduino" and nothing is public.
 
actuallly many paper from the american process is open to the public, you just have to look for them. https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/mad/167131/
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68tjs

Thank you for the link.
But I stand by what I said : we do not know what happened exactly inside the group. Each party says what she wants. It is to both court judgments (US and EU) that will tell the truth.

My feeling is that everyone is trying to score points and an agreement will be reached before the judgments or just before the judgments in appeals.

bobcousins

Thank you for the link.
But I stand by what I said : we do not know what happened exactly inside the group. Each party says what she wants. It is to both court judgments (US and EU) that will tell the truth.
Court judgments don't "tell the truth" either - they are rather another form of opinion. A "legal truth" as it were.

However, there are enough facts in public to determine that Martino's hardware company is copying Arduino LLC. The fact that Martino was a partner in Arduino LLC, and regardless of what private agreements there were between partners, there is no possible justification for Martino's (and Musto's) actions. He either trying to steal Arduino business or blackmail them into an agreement, I'm not sure which.

Even if Martino has a legitimate compliant against his partners, the correct way to resolve that is to bring a suit in court (to "find the truth" as you think).

Ignoring the public facts and sticking your head in the sand is a good excuse for denial - "not my problem so I don't care".
Please ask questions in the forum so everyone can benefit. PM me for paid work.

AWOL

What support is this new Arduino entity offering the community here on the forum?
"Pete, it's a fool (who) looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart." Ulysses Everett McGill.
Do not send technical questions via personal messaging - they will be ignored.
I speak for myself, not Arduino.

68tjs

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Apr 05, 2015, 08:21 pm Last Edit: Apr 05, 2015, 08:22 pm by 68tjs
I do not put my head in the sand, I do not worship leader, I defend or accuse anyone, I believe that no one can now say who is wrong and who is right.
I say that those who do, express primarily their choice, it is their right, but can not claim to hold the truth.

When I spent my french bacalaureat ,science option, I had philosophy courses and I never forget the advice of my teacher:
- Never trust without control or justifications.
- Always look for contrary views
- To analyze these different opinions
- And only after getting his own opignon.

I think it will do nothing that I continued to write on this post.
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lestofante

- Always look for contrary views
maybe you missed this: http://arduino.org/blog/1-the-new-blog/to-the-makers
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alejandrom

[...]

I think it will do nothing that I continued to write on this post.
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Why not, everyone is free to think what he wants, even I agree with that philosophy and everyone is innocent until proven otherwise, but this case is mostly "ideas vs money".

While thoughts are free for all community members, who will return back some added value, money is just for a group of interested people who will not return back too much for us.

That is the main difference between both contenders.

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