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atuor

Hi all,
With all the legal confusion around  :o  , is there any document or site where the information is gathered about who is who and so ?
I'm mainly asking myself questions like :

Who manufactures the Genuino boards for Europe ?
Who designed the latest boards like the Zero, 101 ? cc, org, other  ? Because both sell them
When can we expect to have a clear situation about the ongoing trial ?

Moreover, @ cc there is no distributor for Switzerland, and my regular shop is really confused too, thinking he is buying cc, but people from org told him that they are taking over and cc will disappear !? Where can he source cc products ?

If anyone has a link with such infos, would be great
Thanks

westfw

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Who designed the latest boards like the Zero, 101 ? cc, org, other  ? Because both sell them
The cc Zero and org Zero ("Zero Pro") are subtly different, IIRC.  Both seem to have been designed mostly at Atmel (though I'm not sure that that means anything.) (one appears to be a "slightly more recent" version of the other.)
I don't see .org having the "Arduino 101"?  "Arduino Industrial 101" (from .org) is a VERY different product than "Arduino 101" (intel-based thing from .cc, designed by Intel (presumably.))

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When can we expect to have a clear situation about the ongoing trial ?
Is there a trial yet?  These things can drag on for years.

It's pretty clear that both sides are trying to establish themselves as THE preferred supplier of "things arduino", even if that means name changes and completely separate product lines, software, and distribution networks, rather than coming to any resolution of differences. :-(


SurfingDude

Is there a trial yet?  These things can drag on for years.

The last news I saw on it is that it might go down sometime after July 15, 2016:
https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/mad/167131/

Don't hold your breath though, there's still a matter of jury selection and trial, then any appeals can delay it further.

pYro_65

That is good there is a jury in my opinion. Hopefully common sense will prevail (not so common anymore).
Forum Mod anyone?
https://arduino.land/Moduino/

atuor

So who actually manufactures the Genuino (cc) boards in Europe ?

I can't find a distributor in Switzerland... :smiley-confuse:

Robin2

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Dec 29, 2015, 08:56 pm Last Edit: Dec 29, 2015, 08:57 pm by Robin2
All the Arduinos I have are official versions (bought before the dispute).

If the Arduino clowns can't get their act together that seems like an excellent reason just to ignore them and buy a clone.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

CrossRoads

They're effectively fighting an internal hostile takeover. Calling them clowns is pretty petty.
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Robin2

They're effectively fighting an internal hostile takeover. Calling them clowns is pretty petty.
I doubt if anyone (including the insiders) really knows the truth of the whole thing - or even if there is a simple truth (or right and wrong).

Anyone who prefers to make lawyers rich rather than settle his differences is a clown in my book.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

68tjs

#8
Dec 30, 2015, 12:24 am Last Edit: Dec 30, 2015, 12:26 am by 68tjs
I doubt if anyone (including the insiders) really knows the truth of the whole thing - or even if there is a simple truth (or right and wrong).
+1
Meanwhile Atmel joins the Mbed project and offers four Xplained boards :
- SAMD21
- SAML21
- SAMR21
- SAMW25
What will happen if, because of the internal war, Atmel stop to support Arduino and switches completely to MBed ?

Arduino LLC will switch to Intel ?

westfw

#9
Dec 30, 2015, 03:14 am Last Edit: Dec 30, 2015, 03:14 am by westfw
Probably the most harmful part of the conflict IS that vendors are deserting BOTH arduino companies in favor of less contentious (albeit smaller) manufacturing alternatives.  Sparkfun "redboard."  Adafruit "metro."  Atmel's "Xplained mini."  They're all pretty much Uno clones.  And then there are the clones and derivatives from vendors who are less likely to be supporting either Arduino.org or Arduino.cc...

Just when core and IDE development was heating up to a significant output rate, and has a good team put together, I'm not sure that there is a funding model in place to support them.

dmjlambert

It would be nice if arduino.cc would take Genuino worldwide and make it easy for vendors to buy some stock.   It seems like there would be money to be made if the holes in the product lineup were filled in.  For example, Adafruit is out of Micros and their web site still has old stock pictures of the product from before the company split.   

I think there would be plenty of profit and sales if the Micro, and Uno were all priced at a new low price of $18 USD, Nano at $11, and the Pro Mini at $7, and bring the Pro Micro into the official Arduino lineup at $7 too.   Rev 4 of the Uno and of the Nano could be CH340G designs and bring that chip into the family officially.   Just start producing the products in larger volumes and make it available.   

Other open designs could be brought into the family officially and blessed with the Genuino trademark, such as the Beetle and Bobuino (is that open?).   

I would buy an Arduino/Genuino sticker or T-shirt if the store had them.   A single $6 sticker sounds like a good deal to me and would like mighty fine on my truck, and would support the software cause. 

The online store can be improved and be made easier to click and buy, plus arduino.cc can sell through Amazon as a marketplace seller just like arduino.org does.   Arrangements could be made through some vendor like Cafe Press for T-Shirts, mugs, and stuff like that.   I wonder if arduino.cc could just start shaking things up?  Get going.  Perhaps it is damned difficult.   I don't know.



Robin2

I agree with @westfw's Reply #9

It would be nice if arduino.cc would take Genuino worldwide
This involves taking one side in the argument, and I have absolutely no idea which side (if any) is "right"

And my impression of the dispute is that it is essentially an argument between half a dozen or so individuals who have fallen out and divided into two camps. In that situation I doubt if any of them is taking any notice of "the big picture".

Maybe I should be refreshing my PIC skills. I have several unused PIC MCUs in a drawer.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

atuor

Well this quote really seems appropriate in the current situation

"A lack of transparency results in distrust and a deep sense of insecurity."

Dalai Lama


Robin2

Well this quote really seems appropriate in the current situation

"A lack of transparency results in distrust and a deep sense of insecurity."

Dalai Lama
I suspect there are very few situations in life where that is not appropriate.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

atuor

I suspect there are very few situations in life where that is not appropriate.

...R
Definitely  :)

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