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Isaac96

Make: has decided to support Arduino.org by advertising the Arduino Tian. Does anybody else get the magazine? See the last page of ads in the back. Mr Banzi, please talk to Make!
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keeper63

I just sent this feedback to Make Magazine, since I am a subscriber:

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Hello - I am a subscriber to Make Magazine. Tonight, I was reading this comment at the Arduino.cc forums:

http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=387742.0

...which piqued my interest, so I decided to look at my most current issue (v50, Apr/May 2016). Sure enough, in the back of the magazine in the Marketplace on page 95, upper right-hand corner - an advertisement for the Tian, from Arduino.org.

No where else in the magazine is Arduino.cc mentioned - though there is one mention of one of the founders, Massimo Banzi - on page 15 advertising a Make Arduino kit.

I guess what makes this disturbing to me and the author of that forum post is the furthering of the confusion of the Arduino brand - mainly for newbies. I understand that Make is merely catering to its advertisers, but I honestly believe that Arduino.org is actively pursuing a campaign to further this confusion, in pursuit of profiting from the work the original founders of the Arduino brand - while the lawsuit and political fallout continues.

As a frequent user and commenter on the Arduino.cc forums, I have tried to educate about this confusion when I could. I know that Make likely doesn't want any part of this messy affair; indeed, even to my eyes it looks sordid - and the reality of the Italian laws don't make things better. From my understanding, Arduino.org is probably legally in the right, but in my opinion they are hardly morally in the right.

I guess I write this missive merely in the hope of bringing further attention to the subject; I am not sure if Make has ever had an unbiased article on the specifics of what is going on here, but it might be something to pursue for the sake of new Makers, who may not understand what is going on, nor the history of the situation.

As it is - we on the forum are often asked about it, and we try to explain it as best as we know - but I do think we don't know the whole story, and maybe we never will. The confusion remains, though, and on occasion we get asked about products from Arduino.org which almost none of us know anything about, as we tend to focus on the Uno and other Arduino.cc official items. I suppose that's our bias toward our host showing. That said, I personally would like more information and education on what is really going on, so perhaps an article detailing things as they are currently known might help to educate us all on the subject.

Thank you.
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ChrisTenone

I've got a question: does the ad in Make: use the name "Arduino"? I have seen that .org products available in the US under the Arduino name. Shouldn't they be called Fauxuino or something like that?
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westfw

Adafruit manufactures .cc Arduinos (UNO), sells both .cc and .org boards ("Zero" and "M0-pro" (M0-pro is significantly cheaper)), and has additional brands of compatibles (Metro, Feather, trinket, gemma, flora.)  I'm thinking that things are not looking good for .cc in terms of using HW sales to support SW development. :-(

ChrisTenone

So .cc does not hold a copyright on the name in the US? Is it in copyright limbo here?
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Coding Badly


They hold a trademark.  Single words, like "Arduino", cannot be copyright.

I have seen that .org products available in the US under the Arduino name.
Product that violates a U.S. trademark can be seized or turned away.  If seized, it is destroyed.  It is my understanding that Customs takes the matter very seriously.  But, it does require the trademark owner to press the issue.

In a perverse twist, six years later the USPTO granted an overlapping trademark to dot-org.  Remind me.  Why do we pay them?

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...sells both .cc and .org boards...
Are you certain?  I cannot find any indication they are currently selling dot-org boards.


westfw

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...sells both .cc and .org boards...
Are you certain?  I cannot find any indication they are currently selling dot-org boards.
"Arduio M0 Pro" - a .org-only board: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2417
"Arduino Zero" - a .cc-only board: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2843


Coding Badly

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Mar 24, 2016, 01:37 am Last Edit: Mar 24, 2016, 01:37 am by Coding Badly

Ah, there's the link to the dot-org website.  When I first looked, I could not find any indication on the board or the webpage.  Thanks.


68tjs

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Mar 24, 2016, 02:08 pm Last Edit: Mar 24, 2016, 02:12 pm by 68tjs
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Make: has decided to support Arduino.org by advertising the Arduino Tian
On Makezine :
- A search on "Arduino LLC" gives 46 responses.
- A search on Arduino SRL 9 gives answers.
Is this really choose arduino.org?
This does not please to some but Makezine has the right to give fair information.
And today there is an advertisement for a product Arduino LLC.
https://www.makershed.com/products/make-getting-started-kit-arduino-uno-r3?utm_source=makezine.com&utm_medium=product_ads&utm_term=Make:_Getting_Started_with_Arduino_Kit,_Special_Edition


More Seriously: suposed trademark infringement.

The court in the USA has still not given his answer. This is proof that the subject is not as clear as some imagine.

Clearly this bagare was caused by fear of decline in income for Banzi and Musso.
There has never been a place for morality.
Very oddly conflict seems to appease : is it finally the two have found an arrangement that preserves their future income?

It is not the conflict that worries me it is the future: neither Arduino created new boards.
Last "true" Arduino boards, with a new micro was Leonardo and Due, well known for the quality of its libraries.

The last board with Atmel microcontroller (SAMD21) has been developed (hardware and software) by Atmel.
This is the Zero and it sister M0-pro.

New Arduino LLC boards are design by Intel
New Arduino SRL boards are linino based and design by Dog Hunter (company which also belongs to F MUSSO but it is not Smart-Project/Arduino SRL)

The two Arduino became distributors, not designer.
This is serious for the future.

Intel develops independently of Arduino his own IDE and documentation on its boards.
Intel is not kind: Intel is the wolf in sheep.
Intel's revenue in PCs are down sharply, Intel is looking to diversify. Intel does not seek to share.
Intel is a predator.
Les Shadocks : L'ignorance ne s'apprend pas.

Isaac96

On Makezine :
- A search on "Arduino LLC" gives 46 responses.
- A search on Arduino SRL 9 gives answers.
Is this really choose arduino.org?
This does not please to some but Makezine has the right to give fair information.
And today there is an advertisement for a product Arduino LLC.
https://www.makershed.com/products/make-getting-started-kit-arduino-uno-r3?utm_source=makezine.com&utm_medium=product_ads&utm_term=Make:_Getting_Started_with_Arduino_Kit,_Special_Edition


More Seriously: suposed trademark infringement.

The court in the USA has still not given his answer. This is proof that the subject is not as clear as some imagine.

Clearly this bagare was caused by fear of decline in income for Banzi and Musso.
There has never been a place for morality.
Very oddly conflict seems to appease : is it finally the two have found an arrangement that preserves their future income?

It is not the conflict that worries me it is the future: neither Arduino created new boards.
Last "true" Arduino boards, with a new micro was Leonardo and Due, well known for the quality of its libraries.

The last board with Atmel microcontroller (SAMD21) has been developed (hardware and software) by Atmel.
This is the Zero and it sister M0-pro.

New Arduino LLC boards are design by Intel
New Arduino SRL boards are linino based and design by Dog Hunter (company which also belongs to F MUSSO but it is not Smart-Project/Arduino SRL)

The two Arduino became distributors, not designer.
This is serious for the future.

Intel develops independently of Arduino his own IDE and documentation on its boards.
Intel is not kind: Intel is the wolf in sheep.
Intel's revenue in PCs are down sharply, Intel is looking to diversify. Intel does not seek to share.
Intel is a predator.

My point is that Makezine is allowing SRL to advertise in the magazine itself.
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dhalbert

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Mar 30, 2016, 06:06 pm Last Edit: Mar 30, 2016, 06:15 pm by dhalbert
The Arduino LLC vs Arduino SRL case is still in the discovery phase. Discovery was initially scheduled to be finished this month, but by agreement of both parties, was delayed for another couple of months.

The latest schedule info:
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Judge Denise J. Casper: ELECTRONIC ORDER entered granting 57 Motion for Modification of the Scheduling Order. Fact discovery to be completed by 5/16/16. Expert disclosures by the party with the burden of proof by 6/15/16. Rebuttal expert disclosures by 7/15/16. Expert discovery to be completed by 8/15/16. Summary Judgment Motions to be filed by 9/15/16. Status Conferenc reset to 5/23/16 at 2:00PM. (Hourihan, Lisa) (Entered: 02/11/2016)
So you can see from the dates above that it's going to be the fall before even a summary judgment would be considered.

If you want to track this, these links are helpful:
https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/mad/167131/
http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/2k73deiei/massachusetts-district-court/arduino-llc-v-arduino-srl-et-al/
https://archive.org/details/gov.uscourts.mad.167131

http://pacer.gov is a fee-based site for official court documents. However, once someone who pays retrieves the documents, they can be made available to others without charge. The sites above are repositories. Not all the documents are there, but there's enough summary info to keep abreast of what's going on.

ChrisTenone

The Arduino LLC vs Arduino SRL case is still in the discovery phase. Discovery was initially scheduled to be finished this month, but by agreement of both parties, was delayed for another couple of months.

The latest schedule info:
So you can see from the dates above that it's going to be the fall before even a summary judgment would be considered.

If you want to track this, these links are helpful:
https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/mad/167131/
http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/2k73deiei/massachusetts-district-court/arduino-llc-v-arduino-srl-et-al/
https://archive.org/details/gov.uscourts.mad.167131

http://pacer.gov is a fee-based site for official court documents. However, once someone who pays retrieves the documents, they can be made available to others without charge. The sites above are repositories. Not all the documents are there, but there's enough summary info to keep abreast of what's going on.

Thanks for the links dhalbert!
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