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GoForSmoke

The Arduino bar is today a sad place to come and drink.

You've linked many threads in this thread, Cross roads thread that he took the piss out of he never posted to help on?

This is NOT what MAKERS are ABOUT shame on you for being human.

DC


Shame on you for being a clueless Poe troll.

1) http://gammon.com.au/blink  <-- tasking Arduino 1-2-3
2) http://gammon.com.au/serial <-- techniques howto
3) http://gammon.com.au/interrupts
Your sketch can sense ongoing process events in time.
Your sketch can make events to control it over time.

Delta_G

Back on the topic of questions.  Had a bit of fun with this one.  He's a little upset with me at the moment.

http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=510695.0

FTR:  The original first post was just the homework question verbatim with nothing else.  No intro, no hi how are you, no will you please do my homework for me, nothing but the question by itself.  That's why he got trolled so hard.  That and the fact that he was dumb enough to actually answer that question. 
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Please do not PM with technical questions or comments.  Keep Arduino stuff out on the boards where it belongs.

msssltd

Back on the topic of questions.  Had a bit of fun with this one.  He's a little upset with me at the moment.
What a big man you are.

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FTR:  The original first post was just the homework question verbatim with nothing else.  No intro, no hi how are you, no will you please do my homework for me, nothing but the question by itself.  That's why he got trolled so hard.  That and the fact that he was dumb enough to actually answer that question. 
Please don't try to dress it up or excuse it.  Trolling is just another form of bullying and an especially cowardly one at that.  No one forces you to respond to questions when you do not like the manner in which they are asked.  That you choose to pick on someone you never met, while hiding behind a keyboard, speaks volumes.  Bullying behaviours are invariably driven by narcissim and inadequacy.

Attempting to justify what you do as somehow helping is complete bollocks.  30 years of progressive education and 1000 studies agree, shaming kids does not help them learn.  What it does is screw them up, sometimes for life.

AWOL

And spoon-feeding them helps them . . . how, exactly?

Qdeathstar

I don't think the guy in question was that great of a student.

He waited till the last second to work on a project, that's on him. He's getting free advice on a a free forum. Take it how you get it. Knowledge is currency, if someone is willing to give it to you for free take it graciously.
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

Qdeathstar

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Bullying behaviours are invariably driven by narcissim and inadequacy.
Or just taking the piss.
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

Qdeathstar

#36
Nov 12, 2017, 11:24 pm Last Edit: Nov 12, 2017, 11:24 pm by Qdeathstar
I mean, really, can you defend not shitting all over this zero-f**ks given poster?

https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=511108.0
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

Qdeathstar

#37
Nov 12, 2017, 11:36 pm Last Edit: Nov 12, 2017, 11:38 pm by Qdeathstar
I think AWOL has it right.  Why should we spend our time asking questions TO HELP THEM while they offer less than.
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

Qdeathstar

Nope. Dude probably won't even come back to check to see if there was a response. His thought was like a fart- short, foul, and fading in the wind.

If you want to change his diapers, have at it, but i'm good.
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

Delta_G

#39
Nov 13, 2017, 12:07 am Last Edit: Nov 13, 2017, 12:08 am by Delta_G
Well the one in question wasn't some doe eyed newbie that I bullied.  He was a flat out cheat who I fooled into getting himself caught.  I don't feel the least bit bad about it either.  If he was here trying to learn I would have helped him. 
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Coding Badly

#40
Nov 13, 2017, 12:27 am Last Edit: Nov 13, 2017, 12:33 am by Coding Badly

Not just a cheat.  Someone who is willing to, literally, pay money for a grade.


TKall

I added this a few days ago...
Giving the answer to an obvious homework problem/test question does a disservice to the students that actually try;  the ones who respect themselves and take their education seriously.  In fact those students may get a lower grade than the loser begging for answers because they don't get the benefit of an experts knowledge.  Also, because the serious student may struggle for a longer period of time figuring out problems, they have less time for other classes so they have to work harder.
IMO the losers should be allowed to fail.  I sure would give a -1 for giving the idiot the answer and another for hurting the student that tries.

Robin2

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Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 am Last Edit: Nov 13, 2017, 10:18 am by Robin2
It is important to keep in mind that things that are easy and obvious for an "expert" can be mind-bogglingly difficult for a newbie - even for an otherwise intelligent newbie.

It is also important to keep in mind that many people (men especially) find it very difficult to ask questions as they think it displays their ignorance. That makes asking questions in a "room" full of experts even more frightening. So it may be a difficult decision for a newbie to launch him (or her) self here with a question that they probably think is trivial to the experts.

In that situation it is important for the "expert" to respond in a helpful manner and not in any way to belittle the questioner - no matter how stupid the initial question may seem.

I do, however, think it is reasonable to expect that anyone who has taken the trouble to sign up to the Forum to ask a question will have done a considerable amount of Googling to find the answer before posting the question. But not doing that does not entitle the experts to belittle the questioner.

If, after a number of Forum answers and follow-up questions it is clear that the newbie is not making any effort then the situation changes.


However none of this is intended to facilitate students who try to cheat by getting an expert to do assignments which they then claim as their own. The internet must be a nightmare for teachers trying to be fair to everyone.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

Delta_G

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I can honestly say, i either didn't realize (or didn't remember) the guy wanted to pay for somebody to do his homework for him.
Not only did he offer to pay me, but he started PMing me over and over to try to convince me to take the money. 
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msssltd

And spoon-feeding them helps them . . . how, exactly?
You know what a false dichotomy is?  

It is not a binary choice. You do not have to spoon feed anyone.  You might help by saying nothing.  You might help by stating your objection, plainly and honestly.  These are negative consequences directly attributable to the behaviour you disagree with - They are proportionate punishments.  

I don't think the guy in question was that great of a student.

He waited till the last second to work on a project, that's on him.
You are entitled to your opinion but the fact is, we have little clue to the context the question is asked in.  Whatever the faults of the student, it is not a great human being who jumps to the worse possible conclusion.  How about applying a little critical thinking.  There are some redeeming features, if you care to look for them.  He was at the least, honest regarding his intention.  He answered the faux questions in good faith.  He was diligent enough to worry about failing his assignment.  He was (eventually) prepared to ask for help.  

...And no, the fact you might provide assistance for free does not entitle you to abuse anyone....And no, you should not expect virtual strangers to accept being insulted in public graciously.  I doubt you would try it in real life, due to the significant risk of getting punched.

Or just taking the piss.
Banter is what happens between consenting peers.  Bullying is what happens when a supplicant is picked on by one or more antagonists.  Trolling is very similar to the ring that forms around a playground brawl, when the popular kids find some BS reason to disapprove.  The punishment is disproportionate, the fight is never on equal terms and only one side laughs about it.

I mean, really, can you defend not shitting all over this zero-f**ks given poster?
You think maybe English is not Komal's native language?

Nope. Dude probably won't even come back to check to see if there was a response.
In view of the toxic welcome he would be wise not to come back.  You need to wonder how many 'innocent' participants will not come back or stop contributing because of it?  The pattern has been around since Usenet.  Trolls appropriate the space and scare people off, until what is left is an echo chamber.


He was a flat out cheat who I fooled into getting himself caught.  If he was here trying to learn I would have helped him.  
Yes, you cheated him into submission(!)  Brilliant.  

The victim blaming is tragically predictable.


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